Handgun DROS question

[gripdad]

When you do a PPT on a semi automatic handgun is it legal to take the slide and barrel home and leave only the frame for the ten day wait? I would call the DOJ but I want a correct answer.

[Plisk]

If you want to leave just the frame, then the handgun has to be signed in and DROSd as a frame. You cannot sign in and DROS a complete handgun then dismantle it. During the 10 day wait it is technically in the FFLs possession, and unless they are a manufacturer they are not allowed to change it's status from "Handgun" to "Receiver"

In short: No, it must be DROSd as a frame or you leave everything with the FFL.

[dan12580]

As the other end of this thoroughly enjoyable bittersweet ppt with yet another great calgunner the story goes- we meet at a ffl who doesnt have a great rep and also has a range. I suggest he take the top end woth him so theres no chance of any funny business. When starting dros we are told they cant do that because of the roster first and which we explain ppt so roster exempt. Then she says all frames have to drosed as a longgun which this pistol was not. I have personally taken the top end woth me several times. Who was wrong? The ffls who have allowed me to do this or the lady yesterday? I know the ansewer but lets hear it.

[Mike's Custom]

If the buyer wishes to remove the slide/barrel and leave the frame that is OK. No need to enter it as a frame if the firearms is presented as a complete firearm at the time of the DROS. You will need the slide/barrel and a mag so you can do the Safe Handling Demonstration Affidavit. If only a frame is brought in to be DROS'd then it has to be entered as a frame and DROS'd that way.

[Cokebottle]

If you want to leave just the frame, then the handgun has to be signed in and DROSd as a frame. You cannot sign in and DROS a complete handgun then dismantle it. During the 10 day wait it is technically in the FFLs possession, and unless they are a manufacturer they are not allowed to change it's status from "Handgun" to "Receiver"

In short: No, it must be DROSd as a frame or you leave everything with the FFL.

This would be the case for a new gun, or an FFL transfer, but for a PPT it could be done since the roster does not apply.

However, it would have to be the seller that performs the disassembly prior to taking the frame into the shop.


And I think this is a very good idea at gun shops that have ranges.
Most shops with ranges are perfectly fine, but there are at least two who have had multiple reports of PPT guns having been obviously fired, and in some cases, damaged, at time of pickup.
Of course, this is an employee thing, not always a "shop" thing, so even if you have a good FFL that you trust, you may not be able to trust the newer guy that the owner allowed to close shop last week.

[BillPear]

If your real concern is them shooting it then lock it in a case after you finish the paperwork and they can store that, that's what I do, or use the cable lock they made you buy. Although you sound like your choices in a shop to do the ppt are limited If they had a problem with it then I would go the extra mile to protect my investment.

[Plisk]

This would be the case for a new gun, or an FFL transfer, but for a PPT it could be done since the roster does not apply.

However, it would have to be the seller that performs the disassembly prior to taking the frame into the shop.

This is what I was saying, or at least trying to say, not sure if my point got across. I was trying to explain that it would have had to have been signed in as a frame in the first place. It could not be done after it was DROS'd as a pistol.

[Mike's Custom]

This is what I was saying, or at least trying to say, not sure if my point got across. I was trying to explain that it would have had to have been signed in as a frame in the first place. It could not be done after it was DROS'd as a pistol.

Yes, like above. If it is presented to the FFL as a FRAME the it is DROS'd that way. If the seller gives the firearm to the FFL as a complete firearm then it is DROS'd that way. If the buyer wants the upper it is then OK to remove it and take it as long as he does the Safety Demo first OR brings the upper and mag back so it can be reassembled and the DEMO done.

[JeffM]

Yes, like above. If it is presented to the FFL as a FRAME the it is DROS'd that way. If the seller gives the firearm to the FFL as a complete firearm then it is DROS'd that way. If the buyer wants the upper it is then OK to remove it and take it as long as he does the Safety Demo first OR brings the upper and mag back so it can be reassembled and the DEMO done.

Frame is fine, PPTs/LE exempt can be DROSed as a handgun frame.

IMHO a safe handling demo does not need to be done for a handgun frame. What if I'm just buying a 1911 frame to build up later? How do I get it out of lock-up if a Safe Handling Demo needs to be done?

If there's no exemption for frames, it sounds like underground regulation to me.

[Mike's Custom]

Frame is fine, PPTs/LE exempt can be DROSed as a handgun frame.

IMHO a safe handling demo does not need to be done for a handgun frame. What if I'm just buying a 1911 frame to build up later? How do I get it out of lock-up if a Safe Handling Demo needs to be done?

If there's no exemption for frames, it sounds like underground regulation to me.

If the handgun is presented to the FFL as a complete firearm then the SHD must be done even if the buyer takes the upper home and leaves the frame. Only a frame presented to the FFL is exempt from the DEMO. It all depends on how it is given too the FFL and DROS'd