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  • jidokenju
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 69

    How much difference?

    Yesterday I was at the range with a few buddies and none of us was consistently hitting all that well. One of the guys blamed a lot of this on the range's crappy reloads. Now, I'm pretty sure the ammo wasn't great (we had three or four rounds fail to go off in his revolver the first time round), but how much of an effect is crappy ammo going to have at the 25ish feet we were shooting at? I'm fairly certain my misses are all mine, but I am curious.
    "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them...This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with.'" -Douglas Adams
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    bigcalidave
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jan 2009
    • 4489

    I believe a good article on it is on the box o truth website, but I've seen a number of tests with handgun ammunition that shows very little difference in accuracy between premium and budget ammo.
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    • #3
      IPSICK
      Veteran Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 4259

      At 25 feet, not much difference. 25 yards and greater you'll notice a difference.
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      • #4
        Kilenger
        Junior Member
        • Sep 2010
        • 19

        At 25 feet in a handgun the difference is negligible on accuracy. You might notice issues with reliability; FTF, FTE. Ammo grades really start to make an impact on accuracy in long range rifle shooting. At 100 yards, switching brands, loads, or bullet weights can mean the difference of a 1" group and a 5" group using the same rifle with the same shooter.
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        • #5
          MAC USMC
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 1020

          First, let me say that I have been a shooter for over 60 years and I am still learning. To improve your shooting ask someone who shoots well for a few tips. If this is not convenient then look up web-sites on the topic and start learning. I find that many folks shoot TOO FAST, do not S-Q-U-E-E-Z-E the trigger, use a POOR GRIP, have poor BODY POSITION, and do not FOCUS their minds. BREATH CONTROL helps a lot also, but the things mentioned should be improved upon first.

          I have trained many others as well as four children (now adults) in the art of shooting and while doing so learned quite a bit from their questions. My father gave me this meaningful advice which is holds true today: "If you KNOW WHEN the firearm is going to fire - - you JERKED the trigger to one extent or another. Squeezing the trigger until the weapon fires should be a little bit of a surprise. It means you are NOT JERKING THE TRIGGER. Proper trigger control is the major secret to success in accurate shooting.

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          • #6
            fennecfrank
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 1787

            range ammos, in my experience, are loaded lighter. As a result, not as much recoil as the factory loads. Therefore, better for target shooting.

            Like others have mentioned, there's no much difference when you're at close range.

            revolvers, for most people, are harder to shoot than semi-auto's. I'm wondering if you were shooting in double action or single action. Shooting in double action is harder than in single action and people tend to put more force than needed to pull that trigger, and thus resulted in holes in not desired area. Try to shoot in single action to see if the problem continues.

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            • #7
              Fishslayer
              In Memoriam
              • Jan 2010
              • 13035

              Unlikely it was the ammo. You'd just about have to be measuring powder with a teaspoon and seating/crimping with a claw hammer to make much difference at 25 ft.

              You say 3 or 4 rounds failed to fire. Did they fire on the second go round? Were the primers dented? If it's a S&W I would look at the strain screw on the front of the grip.

              FTF can play with your mind. If there's a doubt about the gun going off or not your mind won't be where it should be and you can flinch real easily.
              Last edited by Fishslayer; 03-31-2011, 11:57 AM.
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              You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart.
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              Originally Posted by JackRydden224
              I hope Ruger pays the extortion fees for the SR1911. I mean the gun is just as good if not better than a Les Baer.
              Originally posted by redcliff
              A Colt collector shooting Rugers is like Hugh Grant cheating on Elizabeth Hurley with a hooker.

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              • #8
                jidokenju
                Junior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 69

                Thats what I figured. Again, I know my misses were my fault (I'm going to get some pro instruction soon), but he seemed pretty sure, so I figured I'd ask the brain trust here.
                And Fishslayer: It was a colt, all showed dents in the primer, and all fired the second time round. I know it failed to fire on me in double action and on another shooter in single.
                "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them...This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with.'" -Douglas Adams

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                • #9
                  Fishslayer
                  In Memoriam
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 13035

                  Originally posted by jidokenju
                  And Fishslayer: It was a colt, all showed dents in the primer, and all fired the second time round. I know it failed to fire on me in double action and on another shooter in single.
                  Probly poorly seated primers. What happens is the first strike seats the primer completely, then the second makes it go bang.

                  FWIW double action revolver shooting takes a lot of practice to do well.
                  "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog.
                  You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart.
                  You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion."


                  Originally Posted by JackRydden224
                  I hope Ruger pays the extortion fees for the SR1911. I mean the gun is just as good if not better than a Les Baer.
                  Originally posted by redcliff
                  A Colt collector shooting Rugers is like Hugh Grant cheating on Elizabeth Hurley with a hooker.

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                  • #10
                    jidokenju
                    Junior Member
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 69

                    Originally posted by Fishslayer

                    FWIW double action revolver shooting takes a lot of practice to do well.
                    Yeah. Nothing for it but more trips to the range .
                    "The designer of the gun had clearly not been instructed to beat about the bush. 'Make it evil,' he'd been told. 'Make it totally clear that this gun has a right end and a wrong end. Make it totally clear to anyone standing at the wrong end that things are going badly for them...This is not a gun for hanging over the fireplace or sticking in the umbrella stand, it is a gun for going out and making people miserable with.'" -Douglas Adams

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