Ruger LCP Transfer Question

[OLL owner]

I searched the forums and couldn't find anything like this, so here goes...

I have a friend that recently purchased an LCP and needs some money and wants to sell the LCP. I want to buy it form him, but at the local store that he bought it from they told him that he had to keep it for at least a year (they said that ATF was cracking down and that he would be "in big trouble" if he sold it before a year had passed), and at the time he had no intentions of selling it. Circumstances have changed and it has only been 4 months.

I told him that I would pay him for it, but I don't want to get him "in big trouble" whatever that is supposed to mean.

Please help, I think that he can legally transfer title to me so I can put it on my CCW, but the store seems to think otherwise.

Thanks

[jamesonamac]

Go to a different ffl. That's fud.

[Anchors]

That is a lie. He can PPT it to you.
The fee will be $35. Where are you located?
We'll point you to a good FFL in your area that doesn't suck.

Oh, and which FFL told you that?

[OLL owner]

I am located in Yuba City, and the FFL was Sutter Orchard Supply

[wrightb]

FFL's are considered the first line of defense in determining straw purchases. Since he didn't lie on the federal form when he bought the handgun (he bought it for himself) and as long as he doesn't have a big history of doing it I don't think there's too much to worry about. ATF is likely looking for large indicators of straw purchases, and if I had to guess I'd say he should be alright.

Try a different FFL

[brianm767]

FFL's are considered the first line of defense in determining straw purchases. Since he didn't lie on the federal form when he bought the handgun (he bought it for himself) and as long as he doesn't have a big history of doing it I don't think there's too much to worry about. ATF is likely looking for large indicators of straw purchases, and if I had to guess I'd say he should be alright.

Try a different FFL

If the orig buyer was making a straw purchase when he bought the gun, that would mean he bought it with the intention of giving/selling it to the OP ""and not putting it in the OP's name"", and in that case, they would not be trying to complete a legal PPT , the fact the the buyer is trying to do a PPT shows it's not a straw purchase. he bought it in his name, and is trying to do a legal transfer, it really doesn't matter if he intended on selling it when he bought it, as long as the transfers are done.

A buyer can buy a gun and turn right around and sell it to some one else with no wait, as long as the proper transfers are done, A straw purchase is buying the gun with the intent of giving /selling it to some one else without transferring it into the second persons name. Thats a true straw purchase.

I've been told the same thing, I was told that when my son sold me his Legally purchased LEO only pistols, he had to wait a year before he transferred them to me, that's BS!!!

Find another FFL.

[OLL owner]

Thanks everybody, I am going to go get it added to my CCW after my wait period.

[Anchors]

If the orig buyer was making a straw purchase when he bought the gun, that would mean he bought it with the intention of giving/selling it to the OP ""and not putting it in the OP's name"", and in that case, they would not be trying to complete a legal PPT , the fact the the buyer is trying to do a PPT shows it's not a straw purchase. he bought it in his name, and is trying to do a legal transfer, it really doesn't matter if he intended on selling it when he bought it, as long as the transfers are done.

A buyer can buy a gun and turn right around and sell it to some one else with no wait, as long as the proper transfers are done, A straw purchase is buying the gun with the intent of giving /selling it to some one else without transferring it into the second persons name. Thats a true straw purchase.

I've been told the same thing, I was told that when my son sold me his Legally purchased LEO only pistols, he had to wait a year before he transferred them to me, that's BS!!!

Find another FFL.

Also, a "straw purchase" is technically when you are buying a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so themselves.
I can buy you a gun right now with the intent to give it to you AS A GIFT.
You can buy guns for other people, legally. Just not people who can't buy them themselves.

[brianm767]

Also, a "straw purchase" is technically when you are buying a gun for someone who is prohibited from doing so themselves.
I can buy you a gun right now with the intent to give it to you AS A GIFT.
You can buy guns for other people, legally. Just not people who can't buy them themselves.

I agree what you state is a straw purchase, but the person who is receiving the gun, does not necessarily have to be some one who is prohibited, although this is most likely the case, it can also be some one who could legally buy it themselves, and he chooses to have some one else buy it and give it to them, so it is not in their name, that is a straw purchase, regardless if the end users is prohibited or not. we just normally think it would be for some one who is prohibited , because we law abiding citizens figure is some one is legal to buy it them selves, then why wouldn't they?

For example, I am legally able to purchase a firearm in Cali, I am not prohibited in any way, but if I wanted a gun for what ever reason, but I didn't want it in my name, I could have some one buy it in their name, and just give it to me with no transfer being done, for the purpose of hiding the end user (Me) , IMOP that is also a Straw purchase and I am totally legal to purchase a gun, so it's not only people who are prohibited, in fact I personally know a guy who talks about doing this, and brags that none of his guns are in his name

I used to think it was only regarding folks who are prohibited , until some folks here educated me on it.