Please explain reasoning for magazine disconnect

[BlackJack]

Is the point of the magazine disconnect legislation to minimize untrained users from accidental discharge thinking a gun with no mag is unloaded?

[sigfan91]

It has nothing to do with safety. It's an end run for the 2nd Amendment.

Liberals know they can't ban guns outright. But they can make it harder and more expensive for citizens to own guns. This is banning guns in piecemeal fashion.

[Rudolf the Red]

I really don't know but since John Browning put one on a P-35, I'll accept them unless it's a carry gun.

[InGrAM]

It has nothing to do with safety. It's an end run for the 2nd Amendment.

Liberals know they can't ban guns outright. But they can make it harder and more expensive for citizens to own guns. This is banning guns in piecemeal fashion.

+1 Its not about safety at all. They simply realized that most guns DO NOT have a magazine disconnect and that MOST people don't like them... so what do they do... "OH! iv got it lets make it where all guns in this state HAVE TO HAVE a mag disconnect and then see how many gun companies want to deal with CA".

It wont be long until rugers are all we can get in CA lol

[XDRoX]

Is the point of the magazine disconnect legislation to minimize untrained users from accidental discharge thinking a gun with no mag is unloaded?

That's always what I believed it was for. I'm sure there have been negligent discharges by people who thought the gun was empty because the clip was out.
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[NorCal Einstein]

It has nothing to do with safety. It's an end run for the 2nd Amendment.

Liberals know they can't ban guns outright. But they can make it harder and more expensive for citizens to own guns. This is banning guns in piecemeal fashion.

Does this really have anything to do with the mag disconnect though? From my limited understanding, the application of a mag disconnect safety would be helpful in a situation where you have a LEO who wants/needs to drop and leave his pistol behind. If he drops the mag and takes it with him...the gun would be deemed "safe" to a certain extent, making the gun inoperable to most of the public..assuming everyone doesn't carry mags around in their pockets.

I don't see how there is a correlation to: Liberals, banning gun rights, cost implications. I do believe there is a time and place for the above, but can't understand talking about it when on topic of the magazine disconnect. Now again, I have limited understanding on this topic...so if I'm missing something fundamental, please clue me in.

[loose_electron]

+1 Its not about safety at all. They simply realized that most guns DO NOT have a magazine disconnect and that MOST people don't like them... so what do they do... "OH! iv got it lets make it where all guns in this state HAVE TO HAVE a mag disconnect and then see how many gun companies want to deal with CA".

I think thats giving government too much credit for intelligence on this matter.

Not sure what the answer is to the original question however.

[Phouty]

The magazine disconnect idea is as old as automatic handgun itself.
Stupid people should have the right to shoot themselves any way they choose.
I don't mind the process of natural selection to take care of "evolution" of our society.
Liberals in the legislature, and the hoplophobes stay in the way to it.

[Bill Carson]

Does this really have anything to do with the mag disconnect though? From my limited understanding, the application of a mag disconnect safety would be helpful in a situation where you have a LEO who wants/needs to drop and leave his pistol behind. If he drops the mag and takes it with him...the gun would be deemed "safe" to a certain extent, making the gun inoperable to most of the public..assuming everyone doesn't carry mags around in their pockets.

I don't see how there is a correlation to: Liberals, banning gun rights, cost implications. I do believe there is a time and place for the above, but can't understand talking about it when on topic of the magazine disconnect. Now again, I have limited understanding on this topic...so if I'm missing something fundamental, please clue me in.

the application of a mag disconnect safety would be helpful in a situation where you have a LEO who wants/needs to drop and leave his pistol behind. If he drops the mag and takes it with him...the gun would be deemed "safe" to a certain extent, making the gun inoperable to most of the public..assuming everyone doesn't carry mags around in their pockets.
Where did you get this completely unrealistic scenario from???

[Kodemonkey]

Does this really have anything to do with the mag disconnect though? From my limited understanding, the application of a mag disconnect safety would be helpful in a situation where you have a LEO who wants/needs to drop and leave his pistol behind. If he drops the mag and takes it with him...the gun would be deemed "safe" to a certain extent, making the gun inoperable to most of the public..assuming everyone doesn't carry mags around in their pockets.

I don't see how there is a correlation to: Liberals, banning gun rights, cost implications. I do believe there is a time and place for the above, but can't understand talking about it when on topic of the magazine disconnect. Now again, I have limited understanding on this topic...so if I'm missing something fundamental, please clue me in.

I don't see a circumstance where a cop would want to leave a gun behind. It probably has kept 1 or 2 morons from NDs though. I prefer to be able to have ability to fire a round off if I am changing magazines during a tac reload and have some type of issue where I didn't realize it was safe to do a mag change and I got a guy barreling down on me and didn't get the fresh magazine in the gun in time. I still got one I can use.

I wonder how many cops prefer a mag disconnect on their service gun. I would think it would be a low number.

[sigfan91]

Does this really have anything to do with the mag disconnect though? From my limited understanding, the application of a mag disconnect safety would be helpful in a situation where you have a LEO who wants/needs to drop and leave his pistol behind. If he drops the mag and takes it with him...the gun would be deemed "safe" to a certain extent, making the gun inoperable to most of the public..assuming everyone doesn't carry mags around in their pockets.

I don't see how there is a correlation to: Liberals, banning gun rights, cost implications. I do believe there is a time and place for the above, but can't understand talking about it when on topic of the magazine disconnect. Now again, I have limited understanding on this topic...so if I'm missing something fundamental, please clue me in.

Guns not designed with magazine disconnect safety (most of them) cannot be retrofitted with one and expect to work reliably.

New Hampshire police (or state trooper) got a sweet deal on a bunch of Sigs (P series) but one of the requirements is to have mag disconnect safety. Sig retrofitted one into this batch. They never worked correctly and were returned to Sig not long after that.

Glocks are known for the simplicity of their design. A mechanical contraption is more reliable if its simple than complex. More parts means more things to make, more time to assemble, and more things to break. More means higher cost.

Liberals do this all the time, in the name of "safety." The just defeated idea of "microstamping" firing pins is a perfect example. It does nothing to solve crimes or to protect citizens. All it does is add cost and complexity for manufacturers.

Firearms are a business. When the cost gets high, people stop doing business. It's the same reason why our jobs are moving overseas. Liberals over regulate everything and then ask why our jobs are gone. In this case, liberals over regulate everything because they know guns will be gone.


edit to add:
Think about all the extra crap we have to go through to get a handgun in kommiefornia:

1. handgun safety certificate - adds cost, time, hassle
2. 10 day wait - adds cost, time, hassle
3. mandatory lock with every gun transfer - adds cost
4. mandatory FFL transfer in a private transaction -adds cost, time, hassle

In any free state, I could have a Walther P1 shipped right to my door because of my C&R. In kommiefornia, I need to have it shipped to an FFL, pay registration fee of $25, dealer's fee of $xx, wait 10 days, make 2 trips (gas and time), and buy a lock, in order to get something someone in another state could have received at home.

The roster effectively stops importation of most handguns into kommiefornia. Single shot exemption? Adds huge cost and not in quantity. Personal bring-ins? Not in quantity. Cops buying them? Not in quantity. More and more guns will fall off the roster (Walther PPK is gone and will never be added). Most new guns are never designed with mag disconnect and loaded chamber indicator so they'll never qualify. We will have fewer and fewer selections.

This, is banning in piecemeal fashion.

[sigfan91]

I really don't know but since John Browning put one on a P-35, I'll accept them unless it's a carry gun.

John Browning never finished the gun. Browning Hi Power really isn't a Browning. There is a version of Hi Power that does not have mag disconnect safety.

[Kodemonkey]

John Browning never finished the gun. Browning Hi Power really isn't a Browning. There is a version of Hi Power that does not have mag disconnect safety.

And I hear most people take it out because the trigger is much nicer without it.

[NorCal Einstein]

Where did you get this completely unrealistic scenario from???

Unrealistic scenario is it, since we aren't faced with shootouts every week. That was a scenario told to me before, and I've seen the same circulating around online before.

Yes, the more realistic scenario is preventing idiots from a ND...but I guess the point I was making was, how does a safety device (if you deem it a "safety" or not, I don't care...I personally don't) impact political points of view

[MP301]

One of my uncles, when he was a 15 in the Hayward Ghetto, was shot by his friend with a 1911 because the other 15 year old thought the gun was unloaded after taking the Mag out. That kind of stupidity is the reason for the Disconnect idea. Fortunately my uncle survived the incident.

Another example is that if someone like an LEO gets into a tug of war with his own gun, he can release the mag, let his gun go and then pull his back up.

Good and bad with a Mag Disconnect. If you lose your mag or have a mag malfunction, your gun wont go bang.

That said, i gave up carrying S&W's with mag disconnects many years ago and have been using a Sig for worjk for many years.