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  • .40Cal
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 1267

    Best way to carry a DA/SA gun ???

    Hi forum,

    I'm thinking of getting CZ SP01. However, I'd like to know best way to store it for HD, and best way to carry during hiking, long walks, in a rural/getto area....etc. Cocked & Locked is out of question. I DO want it loaded (chambered round)...for instant action "ready", if needed.

    Should I manually decock it (half way, or all the way down)...what would be most safest way to carry in a backpack, fany pack, etc).

    Or should I get the decocker model...

    Thanks!
  • #2
    j4strngr
    Member
    • May 2010
    • 347

    Decockers are easy

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    • #3
      locosway
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jun 2009
      • 11346

      Carry it decocked and in a holster that covers the trigger guard area.
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      • #4
        locosway
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jun 2009
        • 11346

        Originally posted by cineski
        Now think of thinking about this when your life is on the line. Get a striker fired pistol. Glock, MP, XD.
        Not this crap again...

        Striker fired guns are great, but there is nothing wrong with a DA/SA gun, even for SD/HD purposes. If you train with your weapon properly, there's no issues.

        The OP asked a question about DA/SA carry, not if a Glock or XD were a better choice.
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        • #5
          locosway
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jun 2009
          • 11346

          Originally posted by cineski
          Well, you're full of crap. At least if I shared your views on differing opinions. Now shut up and let differing opinions come to the surface so people with little experience can make up their own mind.
          How am I full of crap? I'm not the one who thinks there's only one proper style of gun for SD purposes. Any gun will work if you train with it, this is proven. The notion that everyone must conform to the striker fired models is idiotic at best. If you want a differing opinion then offer an opinion with some diversity in it, instead of a one track mind.
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          • #6
            THE NEW GUY



            Heres my 2 pesos worth...

            DA/SA with a decocker is great. You can keep it loaded but the first shot will be around 10# depending on the gun. every shot after will be around 5#. (If you insert the mag, rack the slide, then decock the hammer.)

            Thats the safety feature, to make sure you really want to fire that first round.

            If you keep it cocked and locked, a 1911 is pretty safe for that feature. Thats pretty much how the design was developed, to keep cocked and locked. My DA/SA Sig don't have a safety so I would NOT walk around, or store it with the hammer back.
            Last edited by Guest; 02-20-2011, 7:35 AM. Reason: spell check

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            • #7
              redcliff
              Calguns Addict
              • Feb 2008
              • 5674

              Originally posted by locosway
              Carry it decocked and in a holster that covers the trigger guard area.
              Correct, and with the safety off if has a drop-safe firing pin which most modern da/sa pistols do have.

              While certain members here feel that a Glock or similar striker fired pistol is the only action suitable for self-defense, history shows us otherwise. People were depending upon and defending themselves successfully with repeating hanguns for 150 years before Glocks ever came onto the scene. And they still are.

              It takes training and practice to properly handle any pistol in self-defense. The Glock has had a somewhat rocky record of unintended discharges which has led to some of the largest LEO users to require heavier trigger pulls on their Glocks (NY, Miami among others). Unfortunately one of the first things many new Glock owners do is install a 3.5lb connector (a part Glock insisted at one time is only for competition) on their new self defense guns.

              I'm not intendinig to disparage Glocks and other striker-fired pistols in this post. They're a very popular and succesful design for their intended use. So are DA/SA pistols, DA revolvers and 1911's. But all take training to handle safely in times of stress.
              Last edited by redcliff; 02-20-2011, 9:31 AM.
              "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
              "What we get away with isn't usually the same as what's good for us"
              "An extended slide stop is the second most useless part you can put on a 1911"

              "While Ruger DA revolvers may be built like a tank, they have the aesthetics of one also,
              although I suppose there are a few tanks which I owe an apology to for that remark"

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              • #8
                locosway
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jun 2009
                • 11346

                ^

                I'm one of those Glock owners who uses the 3.5# connector on most of my Glocks. Finger off trigger, safe. Finger on trigger, I'm shooting.
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                • #9
                  Dodahdude
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 1238

                  Oh geez....
                  sigpic One down, four up!

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                  • #10
                    redcliff
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 5674

                    Originally posted by locosway
                    ^

                    I'm one of those Glock owners who uses the 3.5# connector on most of my Glocks. Finger off trigger, safe. Finger on trigger, I'm shooting.
                    I'm all for good trigger discipline. And I certainly wouldn't classify you as either a new GLock owner or new handgun shooter. Those are the ones I worry about who immediately replace their connector.

                    It seems like a lot of the LE ND issues have arisen from items getting into the trigger guard while reholsterring and while holding a suspect at gunpoint with the finger on the trigger.
                    Last edited by redcliff; 02-20-2011, 9:30 AM.
                    "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
                    "What we get away with isn't usually the same as what's good for us"
                    "An extended slide stop is the second most useless part you can put on a 1911"

                    "While Ruger DA revolvers may be built like a tank, they have the aesthetics of one also,
                    although I suppose there are a few tanks which I owe an apology to for that remark"

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                    • #11
                      iareConfusE
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 4464

                      SP-01 has the safety, not the decocker, right? If you want the decocker model, you'd have to go with the Tactical I think. Either way, since the Tactical is off-roster, and you probably will have a hard time finding one, cocked and locked is the way to go with a gun equipped with a safety. If DA/SA with decocker, rack a round into the chamber, then use the decocking lever. Do NOT manually decock it, you might lose the hammer and set it off. Additionally, decocking it all the way down onto the firing pin is not safe.

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                      • #12
                        DesertGunner
                        Member
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 336

                        Originally posted by redcliff
                        I'm all for good trigger discipline. And I certainly wouldn't classify you as either a new GLock owner or new handgun shooter. Those are the ones I worry about who immediately replace their connector.

                        It seems like a lot of the LE ND issues have arisen from items getting into the trigger guard while reholsterring and while holding a suspect at gunpoint with the finger on the trigger.
                        Ditto. I've never seen an ND that didn't involve a finger on the trigger when it shouldn't be. I fail to see why some people are afraid to carry "cocked and locked." I always suggest carrying it around the house, unloaded but cocked, in the holster for X amount of time. A day, week, month, whatever, and see if it "just goes off." if it doesn't, then you shouldn't be scared to carry C&L'd, and if it does, you're doing something wrong.

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                        • #13
                          FARRIER
                          Junior Member
                          • Feb 2011
                          • 54

                          I have an SP-01 and have put well over 10,000 rounds through it. All in all that first pull being long and heavy is tough for me to put on target every time. So I train with mine loaded and nothing in the firing chamber. As soon as i chamber the round it's go time and I have a light consistant trigger pull. For many keeping one loaded and decocked is great way to store it but only if your gonna train that way every time. Practice does'nt make perfect. Perferct practice makes perfect. There are many who leave their firearm loaded, cocked, and locked. And for those im sure they practice all the time that way. I think you should get your gun and see which method comes most naturally to you. If you are gonna have it in a ready fire position it should be holstered. Leaving it to your backpack or fanny pack seems like plan b to me. Hope this helps a little.

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                          • #14
                            eclipse
                            Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 423

                            With the SP-01 you can carry cocked and locked. It does not have a decocker like the P-01, it has a safety that will only engage when the hammer is cocked.

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                            • #15
                              sirgiles
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 2311

                              Originally posted by eclipse
                              With the SP-01 you can carry cocked and locked. It does not have a decocker like the P-01, it has a safety that will only engage when the hammer is cocked.
                              partially correct.
                              the cz-sp01 tactical (offlist) uses a decocker in place of the manual safety on the standard sp-01.

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