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  • 1911Operator
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 2691

    1911 frame and slide compatibility

    I have a 1911 Operator full size, with the regular length rail/dust cover. Im thinking of getting another slide for it. The purpose of the short slide that I want is to have on the gun for HD purposes (easier to maneuver and lighter), and the stock slide I will put some long range sights, match barrel, match bushing and shot it at the range. What is the shortest size slide that my 1911 will accept on its government frame?
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    ✟ In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain."✟
  • #2
    sti2011
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 328

    Commander length slides

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    • #3
      M. D. Van Norman
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2002
      • 4168

      The shortest slide you can take without modifying the frame is a Government slide. Sorry.
      Matthew D. Van Norman
      Dancing Giant Sales | Licensed Firearms Dealer | Rainier, WA

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      • #4
        tiko
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 866

        4" or 4.25" (commander).
        Do it yourself.

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        • #5
          MicronuT
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2005
          • 1137

          You can fit a commander slide I believe, but mite have to cut the frame back a little.

          Mite not be feasable to put govt slide back on. I have to agree w mdv, gona have only one option here. Should leave it the way it iis. m

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          • #6
            MA2
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 1129

            Even if any shorter slide fits, I would think it would be better (money wise...well unless someone is going to sell a complete upper for cheap) just to get a polymer at about $500 for HD.
            Slide, barrel,sights and the other small parts, and of course don't forget gunsmith's pay to fit the slide & barrel will be over.
            The XD's has the same grip angle as the 1911's and if you wait for the Turners ad, the .45's pop up at $500 often.

            I don't know, but I have a springfield micro...if you want , I will see if it fits...lmk.

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            • #7
              RickD427
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Jan 2007
              • 9276

              Stay with the Government length slide.

              A Commander slide will fit onto the frame, but to function correctly, you'll have to trim the rails. The dust cover is longer on the Government frame. It will look funky with Commander slide, but the effect is cosmetic.

              Once you've trimmed the rails for the Commander slide, it will no longer work properly with the Government slide.
              If you build a man a fire, you'll keep him warm for the evening. If you set a man on fire, you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life.

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              • #8
                1911Operator
                Veteran Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 2691

                dang! that sux, guess ill just get a commander 1911 or XD service model
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                ✟ In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain."✟

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                • #9
                  MicronuT
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 1137

                  Originally posted by jessegpresley
                  The Commander is 4 1/4", which is a whopping 3/4" shorter than a regular Gov't slide. You really need that extra 3/4" to maneuver in your home?

                  Your second reason is that it will be lighter. If it's for HD why does it matter that it weighs a few ounces more/less? The shorter Commander slide was to make it easier to carry concealed.

                  This has to be one of the more bizarre posts I've seen here in awhile.
                  true, but it sounds like hes just trying to talk himself out of not having two guns..........

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                  • #10
                    1911Operator
                    Veteran Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 2691

                    Originally posted by jessegpresley
                    The Commander is 4 1/4", which is a whopping 3/4" shorter than a regular Gov't slide. You really need that extra 3/4" to maneuver in your home?

                    Your second reason is that it will be lighter. If it's for HD why does it matter that it weighs a few ounces more/less? The shorter Commander slide was to make it easier to carry concealed.

                    This has to be one of the more bizarre posts I've seen here in awhile.
                    how is it that bizarre? why have 2 different guns when you can have one? I want long range sights on my full size slide and night sights on my commander slide. common sense, i mean who wants long range sights on their HD gun? I dont get how what im asking is bizarre? with 2 different uppers on my 1911, it will give me the same feel since its the same frame. btw, its my own preference, meaning I can have what ever I want and theres no right or wrong since its MY preference on MY gun. You dont know how big my night stand is so you wouldnt know how much of a difference 3/4" would make.
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                    ✟ In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain."✟

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                    • #11
                      1911Operator
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 2691

                      Originally posted by jessegpresley
                      Sorry, I didn't know you lived in a doll house. Say hi to Skipper for me.
                      sorry, i dint know u played with dolls.
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                      ✟ In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain."✟

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                      • #12
                        JTROKS
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 13093

                        A commander slide will not work, you'll have a gap at the end of the frame's dust cover and slides' Recoil Spring Guide Plug hole. Oops - that's commander frame w/ govt slide. There will still be an unpleasant look with the slide's front profile cut not matching the dust cover edge of the frame. You can still get what you want if you buy a Government slide and have it cut to commander length. It has been done many times, but the cost of making your 1911 equipped with 2 uppers will require some gunsmithing and the cost just a couple of bills cheaper than just buying a commander length 1911.

                        The slide will cost about $220, having it milled to commander length, dovetail front sight and Novak cut rear will be around $100 to $150. Barrel - $150, extractor/firing pin/fp stop, guide rod, springs, rear sight and front sight about $150. And you still have to get it finished to match your frame. I'm not sure how much customizing you want to do with it, you can do the math.
                        Last edited by JTROKS; 12-23-2010, 8:35 AM.
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                        • #13
                          sti2011
                          Member
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 328

                          Check STI slide, they sell commander lenght slides that would fit the full size frame and don't need to cut anything. You can buy it with sights already milled at the factory too.

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                          • #14
                            1911Operator
                            Veteran Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 2691

                            Originally posted by sti2011
                            Check STI slide, they sell commander lenght slides that would fit the full size frame and don't need to cut anything. You can buy it with sights already milled at the factory too.
                            cool! thanks for the tip. ill check em out.
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                            ✟ In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain."✟

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                            • #15
                              Sam
                              Calguns Addict
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 5205

                              Your nightstand will fit a commander but not a gov't slide? Get two gov't guns. One for the range and one for the home.

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