Sig DA trigger

[ruchik]

I held a P239 and a P225 today at the shop, and tried the double action triggers. My fingers are short; I can barely pull that trigger back, partly because of my finger length, but also largely due to the fact that the pull is so heavy. How much smoother and lighter will a trigger job done by the likes of Bruce Gray or similar make the trigger? I'm hoping I can get something like a Kahr's DAO pull weight and feel. Hell, is that even possible on a Sig?

[l8apex]

Bruce does excellent work, but so does Sig where the turn around is 2 weeks vs 3 months. As far as the Kahr, won't happen as it completely a different system. I own both a 229 with work done and a PM9

[Bullwinkle]

I don't think you're going to get a Kahr-like trigger pull, not without mucking with spring swap-outs and screwing something else up somewhere else; but I've heard nice things about the Sig factory Action Enhancement Package or whatever they call it, and even better things when that is combined with a Short-Reset Trigger (SRT) installation. So yes, trigger work by any competent gunsmith should improve things dramatically for you.

Sig has one of the better DA pulls out their (IMO, though I believe the Beretta 92 is better), or at least they used to. Mine are stock on both a P226 and P229R, and I've no complaints on either. The SigPro DA trigger I find more difficult, which I only mention because most everyone else says it has the best out-of-the-box trigger of any Sig, so I'm the weird guy in that respect.

True story: my wife and I were at the range one day, shooting an S&W semi and a P226. Both are traditional DA pistols. We started with the S&W. When we switched over to the Sig, I started experiencing truly surprise breaks (like before I was really ready to fire) because the DA trigger pull on the Sig was way lighter than the S&W! The SA was significantly better, too, but the difference in DA triggers was eye-opening. I hope S&W revolvers are better than their semis.

[GUNFREAK]

I had the same problem in my P229. Luckily Sig makes a short trigger that made a big improvement.

http://sigsauer.com/SigStore/ShowProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=29&productid=91

They make one for the P239 as well.
I switched out the factory trigger with the short trigger and it gives me much better control over the trigger when shooting DA and a whole lot better in SA.

I have heard that the Action Enhancement Package helps quite a bit but I have never shot one with that work done.

Switching out the trigger was pretty easy. I watched a video on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt5jRxUHGgk

[himurax13]

If you get a good trigger job, the best you can probably hope for is a 3 lb single action pull and an 8 lb double action pull. However, this kind of work usually comes at the cost of light primer strikes, especially on primers such as Wolf and CCI. Getting an SRT modification, which reduces the length of the trigger reset, and getting a short trigger will reduce the travel distance needed to fire your Sig a significant amount. If you are having problems with a 225, then you are going to have more problems using any of the Sigs in the Classic Line (P220, P226, P228, P229 because their grips are wider). The DA, SA trigger is not for everyone. You might want to take a look at Glocks, Smith and Wesson M&P's, and Springfield XD's since they will have a trigger that is closer to the Khar's trigger.

[l8apex]

^Good advice

[Kanoodler]

I had an action job and a short trigger modifcation done on my P226 by Innovative Weaponry Inc out of New Mexico. Well worth the time and $$. The action is 1/2 the pull weight, and the action travel is silky smooth. And with the shortened trigger, my finger is allowed to roll properly over the trigger face ever so slightly, maintaining good trigger contact without "jerking."

[9mmepiphany]

Just curious, how much of your finger are you able to get on the trigger? If it is a problem of reaching the face of the trigger, the Short trigger might be able to address that as might the forthcoming E2 grip and mainspring assembly.

Another question. Were you trying an actual Sig 225 or a P6...the P6 is spec'ed with a much heavier mainspring for LE use.

While the Sig Factory Action Enhancement Package (AEP) does cleanup the action nicely and does have a very short turnaround time, it has been my experience that it comes in second to the smoothness of a Grayguns Action Cleanup Package (ACP) and doesn't even come close to their Duty packages, to say nothing of their competition packages

[l8apex]

Had the E2 conversion done to my P229. It will help with reach, but the DA/SA transition no matter how light or smooth will take some practice.

[himurax13]

Nice, how much did the conversion cost?

[l8apex]

115 and some change. No need for the SRT as the SAS II comes with.

[9mmepiphany]

the DA/SA transition no matter how light or smooth will take some practice.

I've been able to teach the transition fairly effectively to folks for several years...including a 10 year old girl...usually in an afternoon.

Other than the trigger resetting sooner and not as far forward...you don't release your trigger finger as much... which accommodations have you found that you've had to make to manage the trigger?

[l8apex]

I've been able to teach the transition fairly effectively to folks for several years...including a 10 year old girl...usually in an afternoon.

Other than the trigger resetting sooner and not as far forward...you don't release your trigger finger as much... which accommodations have you found that you've had to make to manage the trigger?

None, as my first pistol I was formally trained on was the 92F. The reset is closer to my 92 with the SRT, similar but yet different in feel due to dimensions and what not. Still it is not my most preferred reset of the Glock which is a completely different story.

With that said, there is a noticeable difference from the stock set up.

In my instruction, I've found that although the DA/SA can be learned quickly by students, it still is lacking as far as simplicity to striker pistols, but still better than heavy DAO. Most of the time I prefer striker (Glock) pistols, however there are some instances/deployments where I would prefer DA/SA, but I never prefer a DAO unless I'm out of ammo and it's a BFPU.

Well... Enough of my rambling, wonder what the OP decided on..

[WilliamAnderson]

It just takes getting used to. I like DA/SA triggers. I like having both on my 225/p6