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  • crowbar1
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    • Aug 2009
    • 135

    1911 recoil spring help...

    After a few (or more) thousand rds, I'm getting a few FTFs from my Kimber Super Match II.

    I guess it is time for a new recoil spring.

    What is the correct spring #s for it with a full length guide rod. I mostly shoot WWB, or Wally World Federal 230gr ball.

    Thanks in advance Calgunners!!!!!!
    Originally posted by wrightb
    The gun will make a weird sound, like a loose fart escaping. There usually won't be the bang you are accustomed too.
  • #2
    Black Majik
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2005
    • 9695

    16# is standard weight.

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    • #3
      1911Operator
      Veteran Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 2691

      Originally posted by Black Majik
      16# is standard weight.
      are you sure? a 1911 specialist at the gun show told me that 16# is the lowest you want, anything under that can eventually lead to cracking the slide. He could be wrong, but the info and knowledge he shared with me was pretty convincing that he knows his 1911's!
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      ✟ In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain."✟

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      • #4
        1911Operator
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 2691

        Originally posted by Black Majik
        16# is standard weight.
        wow your right, I just checked!
        Have an idea or invention? Need something designed and made? Click: HERE
        ✟ In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, "Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain."✟

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        • #5
          crowbar1
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          • Aug 2009
          • 135

          Does it matter for a full length guide rod vs' a plug?
          Originally posted by wrightb
          The gun will make a weird sound, like a loose fart escaping. There usually won't be the bang you are accustomed too.

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          • #6
            Black Majik
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2005
            • 9695

            Originally posted by crowbar1
            Does it matter for a full length guide rod vs' a plug?
            Nope. all the same.

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            • #7
              JTROKS
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Nov 2007
              • 13093

              For 45acp 230 grain ball round the 16lb will do.
              The wise man said just find your place
              In the eye of the storm
              Seek the roses along the way
              Just beware of the thorns...
              K. Meine

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              • #8
                DaveFJ80
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2008
                • 2066

                16 lb is the standard weight and what comes on your gun. I had a similar issue and changed to a 18.5 lb spring so it allowed the slide to stay open longer and eject my casings better on my Kimber TLE, if that makes any sense (I did some research on this).

                Since then, zero FTF's and 350 additional flawless rounds through it so far, while using different brand magazines to test.

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                • #9
                  Colt
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 1596

                  Originally posted by 1911Operator
                  are you sure? a 1911 specialist at the gun show told me that 16# is the lowest you want
                  "A 1911 specialist at a gun show..." - hmmm.

                  Anyway, 16# is standard - I actually run 15# in mine. Colts typically test out < 16 pound from the factory. I've never had trouble running one pound below standard, and it puts that much less wear and tear on everything.

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                  • #10
                    ocspeedracer
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 1147

                    I don't have any Kimbers but I'm running one of each of the following in my 1911's #16, #18.5, #21. They've all been flawless but I'm not liking how the one with the #16 feels durring recoil, may have to be changed.

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                    • #11
                      NewGuy1911
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 539

                      My troubled Super Match returned from the pistolsmith with a 18.5 lb. spring. He did a reliability job/accuracy job and "just" cleaned-up the action. Came back with a "Very Nice" trigger. Also, the pistolsmith has a female instructor with a Kimber (older model) that had the front of the slide drop off. I did not want just anyone to repair the Super Match, this smith "knows" 1911's. Really have a sweet trigger now.
                      "Speak kindly to me, beloved master. Revel in my unconditional love, and give me every minute that you can spare, for my time with you is short."---Your faithful dog

                      1911Tuner (That one's my own. I'm a rescuer. It's What I do.)

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                      • #12
                        spursnguns
                        Member
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 101

                        Its not the recoil spring.

                        While it is good that you are changing the recoil spring (you are about due with that round count); you are missing the point. The first thing that you should "always" suspect with FTF's are the magazines. First; try a new magazine from a good manufacturer (Wilson or McCormick). If that solves the problem; switch brands. It could be the magazine spring, the magazine lip configuration, or any dozen other reasons. Most people dump the factory Kimber magazines.

                        During the firing cycle; the window for the slide to strip off a new round is very short. The magazine needs to be have a spring strong enough to present, and hold, the fresh cartridge at the proper location.

                        If the foregoing does not solve your problem then you need to take a photo of the jamb and post it.

                        Good luck.
                        Last edited by spursnguns; 11-24-2010, 7:47 AM.

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                        • #13
                          willssmithing
                          Junior Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 50

                          16 lbs for hardball.
                          If you are having malfunctions with a 16 pound spring, the problem is somewhere else.

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                          • #14
                            Old4eyes
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 1758

                            Standard Spring Weights for different models of 1911:

                            16 lb for Government (5" barrel)
                            18 lb for Commander (4.5" barrel)
                            22 lb for Officers (3.5" barrel)
                            Send Lawyers, Guns and Money - On second thought, hold the Lawyers.

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                            • #15
                              swifty
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 929

                              Replace the recoil spring with a #16 at minimum. Most people tend to wait way too long before replacing springs. Springs are cheap, replace before doing other work on your 1911.

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