John Browning Design -Reliability

[kAnJii]

I was wondering which is more of a reliable pistol? JB's earlier most popular design - 1911 ...or...JB's last design - Browning HiPower, CZ75, etc...?

I love both guns myself, but reliability wise...which is the more reliable?

[Plisk]

Both excellent designs, it's down to the specific gun itself. Some 1911s are finicky, some at the greatest in the world oh-my-god amazing. Same goes for Hi-powers.

It's like looking at 2 trucks and saying which is more reliable. Chevy or Ford? Well, the Ford could blow a tranny right off the lot.

[ojisan]

Both designs are plenty reliable in the real world.
In theory, the later cam lock design has less moving parts so the nod goes to that....no link or pin to possibly fail.

[FNH5-7]

I like both both are beautiful.

The Hi Power is more of a 9mm design. The 1911 goes with the .45, though there are various calibers available in that platform.

[5shot]

One also has to remember that the 2 guns were designed long before hollowpoints became common place. With ball ammo they both operated flawlessly.
After hollowpoints became popular, most of the new production guns got more attention when it came to polishing feed ramps, throating barrels, etc.
Both designs are equally reliable now days with just about any ammo design.

[FNH5-7]

One also has to remember that the 2 guns were designed long before hollowpoints became common place. With ball ammo they both operated flawlessly.

You're right, however, improvements HAVE been made since they first were invented years ago.

[kAnJii]

Has anyone made a Hi Power model in .45? Wondering since 1911 has gone from 9mm and up, but haven't heard of a .45 in the Hi Power model. I've seen .40. Is there a problem why no Hi Power .45?

[OneSevenDeuce]

Has anyone made a Hi Power model in .45? Wondering since 1911 has gone from 9mm and up, but haven't heard of a .45 in the Hi Power model. I've seen .40. Is there a problem why no Hi Power .45?

That's a good question. I've never seen one. Might have something to do with the fact that HPs are still made in Belgium. .45 Isn't very popular there.

[Dragon]

That's a good question. I've never seen one. Might have something to do with the fact that HPs are still made in Belgium. .45 Isn't very popular there.

HP have not been made in Belguim in a long time,too the best of my knowledge.

[OneSevenDeuce]

HP have not been made in Belguim in a long time,too the best of my knowledge.

HPs (the real ones, not the knock offs) are made in Belgium, Portugal, and Argentina. Browning imports them and sells them under the Browning name, but they do not manufacture them.

[chuckdc]

A .45 High-power would have to be somewhat larger than the current handgun is, just to accommodate the larger rounds. One of the best parts of the HP is the thin profile of the slide, which would not survive in a .45 model. It would also lose enough capacity that it wouldn't offer much of an advantage over the 1911.

I really like my HP, the only thing it needs is a LOT better trigger pull. They're pretty grim on a lot of HP models. If I were in the market for one now, a .40 HP would be on my "to get" list.

[m1match]

Browning is and has been owned by the Belgian arms manufacturer FN (Fabrique Nationale) for a long time. FN has always made the Hi Power. They have been manufactured in Belgium. Current ones the parts are made in Belgium and assembled in Portugal. The Argentinian Hi Powers were made by a licensee of FN.

In my experience, both the 1911 and the Hi Power are both extremely reliable when properly tuned and maintained. IMO the Hi Power is a little easier to keep running because the external extractor doesn't need any tuning or maintenance.

[Dragon]

HPs (the real ones, not the knock offs) are made in Belgium, Portugal, and Argentina. Browning imports them and sells them under the Browning name, but they do not manufacture them.

Mine reads, Made in Belgium/ by Fabrique Nationale Herstal

[OneSevenDeuce]

Mine reads, Made in Belgium/ by Fabrique Nationale Herstal

What's your point?

[BHPFan]

HP have not been made in Belguim in a long time,too the best of my knowledge.

How so?

Just because the parts of the pistol are assembled in another country doesn't mean that the parts are made in that country assembled.

Besides, do you have a problem with Portuguese assembled Hi-Powers?

I've owned quite a few and they have been extremely reliable even sturdier than the earlier ones made totally in Belgium (won't feed HP and not sturdy enough to shoot +P or .40 SW).