help with penal code info.

[Oceanbob]

I doubt that

IANAL but I would think filling out this form without the father's consent, would amount to theft. CA is a comunity property state. Mom's name could be used in place of Dad's perhaps. You are talking about having the courts declare this man mentally unfit. Not something to be taken lightly.

Theft..?...er..no.

There is no need to spend big $ trying to make Dad mentally unfit. They can transfer the handguns quietly and legally. Dad certainly isn't going to Lawyer Up and probably has enough problems trying to get thru the day. Not a single DA would take this as anything but a civil matter. (which means they would not get involved) ...if it came to that Bridge. Which I doubt.

They can do this today with a $19 check.

[Spirit 1]

Maybe I should stay out of this one, but that never stopped me before. I'm very, very closely acquainted with 3 different individuals who suffered serious injuries or disease or stroke symptoms of a sort to cause apparently permanent brain damage & loss of full mental faculties. In all 3 cases the individual lost cognitive skills, short term [especially] or long term memory, and experienced serious speech, vision and body motion problems and much more.

In all 3 cases, over time, a healing took place and each individual was restored to a fully functional state and a wonderful full life, with only about a 10-15% residue of minor problems. Again, in all cases, doctors & medical science had no hope & no cure for them & threw up their hands & shook their heads.

Fortunately all three men & their families were deeply & firmly committed in their belief and hope in their God. He didn't let them down!

I fail to see what the big rush is here. I can read between the lines of original post to see that this is a recent event. It appears to me to be far too soon to be grabbing the owner's personal property of his guns that he loves and enjoys.

I smell a rat because there is absolutely no need to transfer ownership in order to cause a safe environment and assuming ownership does nothing whatsoever to render this as a safer situation. If he's too out of it to handle his guns then simply move them out of his access, which is quite legal.

What 'safety' issue would that NOT solve?

Something's real wrong with this picture but I'll be praying for legal protection and a swift recovery for the legal owner of those guns.

By the way, everything my father owned was stolen in a very similar way, by family, after they assisted him in becoming supposedly unable to manage his own affairs. They also caused & hastened his untimely death. In addition they managed to screw me out of several $100,000's of what he and my mother intended as my personal inheritance. While they were at it they stole her entire estate also!

[bigbob76]

Sounds like a lot of would be solutions to a non existent problem.

[jeep7081]

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/oplaw.pdf

[NIB]

Just move them to a safe place where he has no access to them.

[Arondos]

Lock them up and don't give him a key or combo. He won't be p.o.'d over you taking his guns if/when he gets his senses back.

Did he have a stroke or something? A low blood sugar can put you in a coma and cause convulsions but once he was hospitalized and it was corrected it shouldn't cause any long term problems that I am aware of. (I have a son who has been a diabetic since age 4 1/2.)

[johnthomas]

Theft..?...er..no.

There is no need to spend big $ trying to make Dad mentally unfit. They can transfer the handguns quietly and legally. Dad certainly isn't going to Lawyer Up and probably has enough problems trying to get thru the day. Not a single DA would take this as anything but a civil matter. (which means they would not get involved) ...if it came to that Bridge. Which I doubt.

They can do this today with a $19 check.

19 dollar check for each gun.

[Oceanbob]

No...it's 19 bucks total for

19 dollar check for each gun.

Any number of handguns.

One fee for 1 or any number.

[blakdawg]

... there is absolutely no need to transfer ownership in order to cause a safe environment and assuming ownership does nothing whatsoever to render this as a safer situation. If he's too out of it to handle his guns then simply move them out of his access, which is quite legal.

What 'safety' issue would that NOT solve?

What he said. If the issue is safety, there's no reason to worry about ownership of the firearms, just physical access, which can be solved by buying a safe or changing the combination on an existing safe, either of which will be cheaper than anything involving an attorney. Also, physical access can be restored in an instant without paperwork.