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  • pheyos
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 70

    1911 failure to feed

    Hi everyone,

    I have a Rock Island GI that recently has had some failures to feed on the last round of a magazine. Two range trips ago it happened with the two mags I had, the factory one and a Wilson. It appeared to be a three-point bind.

    I cleaned the extractor, firing pin, and magazines. I went back to the range this past weekend with some additional borrowed mags and ran all 4 of them through the gun with 3 rounds in each 3 times. That time there was only one failure to feed, on the Wilson.

    The ammunition used two trips ago was Blazer, and the most recent one was UMC.

    My brother who was with me noted that the ejected casings weren't leaving consistently. Sometimes they would go at to the side like normal, and others they would fly straight back over my head. When he went up and shot a few rounds one of them even landed on his head. To my knowledge this has only cropped up recently.

    The first picture below is a side-by-side comparison of my brother's Argentine 1911 and my Rock Island. The second picture is with a cartridge under each extractor. The Argentine is a bit more snug than the RIA and holds it closer to the breech face, but the RIA won't drop the round when turned over.

    I spoke with a gentleman at the range about it and he thought it would be extractor tension or a loose ejector, though he said the loose ejector wouldn't explain the failures to feed. Should I try adjusting the extractor? Should I just shoot more and see if it works itself out?

    Many thanks in advance for your help.



    "The situation is hopeless but not serious." -Count Otto von Droste Schattenburg
  • #2
    fonzy
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 888

    FTF

    I wouldn't mess with the extractor. Sounds like your on the right track with the magazines.
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    • #3
      Colt
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2007
      • 1596

      The first thing to check with a situation like yours is mag springs. If you can, get new Wolff extra power mag springs and try them. If that doesn't work, you may want to tighten up the extractor tension just a little.

      Good luck.

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      • #4
        JRJCP
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2010
        • 695

        Reliability Package:
        Adjust & polish extractor
        Check ejector
        Extra power recoil spring & firing pin spring
        O/S firing pin stop
        Polish feed ramp
        Polish slide internal ways & tunnels
        Check all safeties
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        • #5
          Ed_in_Sac
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 962

          A couple pics of the gun when it fails to feed would give a lot of information. Helps to know where and how the round is when it doesn't feed.

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          • #6
            Black Majik
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2005
            • 9695

            Originally posted by pheyos

            With the round under the extractor, jiggle the slide up and down. Does the round fall out? Does the round jiggle in there?

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            • #7
              pheyos
              Junior Member
              • Dec 2009
              • 70

              Thank you all for reading and responding. I'm sorry for the delayed reply.

              fonzy and Colt, I will start with the mag springs then. Would this be part 969-714-610DG at Brownells?

              Ed_in_Sac, on my next range trip I will have a camera on hand for any jams. Didn't forget anything on my last trip except that obvious problem solving tool...

              Black Majik, the round doesn't fall out but I think it moves more in the RIA than it does in the Argentine.
              "The situation is hopeless but not serious." -Count Otto von Droste Schattenburg

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              • #8
                badmonkey
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 777

                any FTF's i've had with my RIA GI have been mag related.

                though, i've never had a FTF with the factory mags.

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                • #9
                  nickvig
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 527

                  Dimpled follower mags or flat follower mags?
                  -Nick-

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                  • #10
                    pheyos
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 70

                    The factory mag is made by ACT and has a flat follower. The Wilson is molded to follow the shape of the cartridge and has no dimple. I did use a couple of standard mags, with dimples, on the last range trip and they worked fine.
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                    • #11
                      Colt
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 1596

                      The dimpled follower is the original design. Checkmate makes a seven round, hybrid lipped mag with dimpled follower. Great mags. Checkmate is OEM for Colt (as is Metalform, I believe - or at least Metalform used to be a Colt OEM).

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                      • #12
                        pheyos
                        Junior Member
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 70

                        Thanks for the information. I didn't know about Checkmate. Have you had any experience with their bull nose follower?
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                        • #13
                          JanG
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 1005

                          have you tried contacting armscor about the problem? i've never used it (knocking on wood), but i heard their warranty and customer service are top notch.
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                          • #14
                            Arondos
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 1340

                            I had problems with a magazine (weld split) after about 200 rounds. Replaced by armscorp. Then had a LOT of problems, FTF, FTRB. Pistol was sent back and Arnel worked on it. It has been flawless since. Happy over two issues? Not really. BUT one email on each and both were promptly taken care of by warranty so I can't really complain.
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                            • #15
                              Colt
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 1596

                              Originally posted by pheyos
                              Thanks for the information. I didn't know about Checkmate. Have you had any experience with their bull nose follower?
                              No. Others have, however. Search here: http://forum.m1911.org

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