Special Forces teams

[Grassninja]

Tactical scissors!.

Those are medical shears, and they serve a very real purpose.

[Anchors]

Those are medical shears, and they serve a very real purpose.

I never said scissors weren't important haha.
And now that I look closer they are shears (you can see the bend).

[inbox485]

How many Special Forces teams use the XD?

I'd be shocked if the number wasn't zero. I like mine, but between the firing pin indicator and the chamber indicator, both being known to break during rough use, I could see them not being enthusiastically adopted. XD's don't hold a whole lot over glocks or M&Ps other than the backstrap safety, and SA really hasn't done much to try to get government contracts for the XD line.

[Maddog5150]

I see posts here that say glock fotay. I was told by one of my bosses who trains SF units globally and even trains MARSOC that SF decided not to use 40 cal because of the round. If black ops were being taken place and the enemy found 40cal casings, its easy to think of which country primarily uses the 40S&W in general. 45 could be a number of nato or enemy countries and 9mm is everywhere in the planet.
Dont know if its true or not but theres some info to think about. I'm sure if there are real SF daddies looking at this forum, they wouldnt bother to post so we are all up for guessing, going by heresay, ect.

[Shenaniguns]

I'd be shocked if the number wasn't zero. I like mine, but between the firing pin indicator and the chamber indicator, both being known to break during rough use, I could see them not being enthusiastically adopted. XD's don't hold a whole lot over glocks or M&Ps other than the backstrap safety, and SA really hasn't done much to try to get government contracts for the XD line.

Man, it looks like you've smartened up big time the last few months about the Hi-point and XD.

[Ascout]

Thought I read somewhere that was a no no. Guess it was old or incorrect.

Troops can and will do what is necessary in the field regarding gear. While the current risk averse military is less cavalier about this sort of stuff, it still gets done.

Theoretically, subdued "screaming eagles" were available in VN, though I never saw a single one. However for our field gear, we routinely "subdued" that big, white bald head and yellow beak with mud, used motor oil, or the lead from a No. 2 pencil, whatever was most handy.

The ingenuity of G.I.'s is beyond measure.

[inbox485]

Man, it looks like you've smartened up big time the last few months about the Hi-point and XD.

Not quite sure what you are referring to. Perhaps I defended some of the more nonsensical bashes on the two in the past, but I've always taken issue with both of them for the legitimate issues they have. I've always had misgivings about the C-9 due to out of the box issues and longevity issues. I still like my XD, and wouldn't consider trading it for a Glock, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out why teams and agencies look elsewhere.

[elSquid]

I see posts here that say glock fotay. I was told by one of my bosses who trains SF units globally and even trains MARSOC that SF decided not to use 40 cal because of the round. If black ops were being taken place and the enemy found 40cal casings, its easy to think of which country primarily uses the 40S&W in general. 45 could be a number of nato or enemy countries and 9mm is everywhere in the planet.
Dont know if its true or not but theres some info to think about. I'm sure if there are real SF daddies looking at this forum, they wouldnt bother to post so we are all up for guessing, going by heresay, ect.

I have no connections, so I'm just going on what I've read in odd postings by SMEs on m4carbine.

One more data point, google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Special+operations+Iraq+delta+glock+22

and that should return a link to a google book excerpt.

Anywho, I thought it interesting in view of the eternal 1911vs Glock wars.

-- Michael

[11Z50]

I can tell you a large number of G19's were issued to the Iraqi Police, who worked closely with some Spec Ops and Civilian contract personnel. I would guess it wouldn't be hard for an operator to acquire a G19 over there.

While normally POW's (Privately Owned Weapons) are not allowed, as one goes higher up the Spec Ops tree, Reg's get relaxed or ignored altogether. I've seen a few operators in my time, and they do pretty much as they wish, especially in the field.

I worked with an A team from 5th SFG and they all packed M9's but that's been awhile back.

[Scratch705]

I see posts here that say glock fotay. I was told by one of my bosses who trains SF units globally and even trains MARSOC that SF decided not to use 40 cal because of the round. If black ops were being taken place and the enemy found 40cal casings, its easy to think of which country primarily uses the 40S&W in general. 45 could be a number of nato or enemy countries and 9mm is everywhere in the planet.
Dont know if its true or not but theres some info to think about. I'm sure if there are real SF daddies looking at this forum, they wouldnt bother to post so we are all up for guessing, going by heresay, ect.

i would think the ammo issue is only for covert stuff where no trace can be made back to USA? something along the lines of crossing borders we aren't suppose to cross type of thing?

[scarville]

"Mad Dog" Shriver carried 38 revolvers. Sometimes five or six.

[Ascout]

"Mad Dog" Shriver carried 38 revolvers. Sometimes five or six.

Most pilots and many others carried .38 Spl's on the reasonaing that a revolver will ask nothing of the other arm (if injured) until it's time to reload (and not necessarily then).
I knew a slick driver that carried a .357 Ruger B'hawk.

[Maddog5150]

I still keep in touch with my Drill Sgt. He is no longer a drill and went back to the teams. I sent him an email asking him what they carried. This was his short reply.
"we have beretta m9 9mm, glock 19 9mm, and h&k socom .45.
what you carry is shooter preference
hope that helps "

Hope that helps. Cheers.

[jcal0820]

Regarding availability of ammo in Theater, most units, including special ops and "other" gov't agencies, will likely opt for 9mm versions of their sidearms, as this is the caliber that will be stocked at ammo supply points. You want exotics like .40 and .357, then you'll have to bring your own stock, enough not just to take outside the Wire, but to practice with regularly, including all the test fires you do before leaving a FOB each time. That may be why I see a lot of Glock 17 in addition to 92Fs.

[Army]

The det I worked with, carried nothing but issue weapons. They had a room stuffed full of the worlds groovy stuff, but operated outside the wire completely within regulations.