Roster Question - model specification

[Heiko]

This roster thing is just... just... argh!!!

Here is what the law is on things like different finishes on the same gun with respect to how a manufacturer can get around recertifying the same gun in a different finish.

12131.5. (a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements
of subdivision (a) of Section 12131 if another firearm made by the
same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs
from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following
features:
(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating,
oiling, or engraving.
(2) The material from which the grips are made.
(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference
in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions,
material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel,
the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the
firearm.
(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way
alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the
magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of
the firing mechanism of the firearm.
(b) Any manufacturer seeking to have a firearm listed under this
section shall provide to the Department of Justice all of the
following:
(1) The model designation of the listed firearm.
(2) The model designation of each firearm that the manufacturer
seeks to have listed under this section.
(3) A statement, under oath, that each unlisted firearm for which
listing is sought differs from the listed firearm only in one or more
of the ways identified in subdivision (a) and is in all other
respects identical to the listed firearm.
(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require
a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which
listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model
complies with the requirements of this section.

[Librarian]

This roster thing is just... just... argh!!!

Here is what the law is on things like different finishes on the same gun with respect to how a manufacturer can get around recertifying the same gun in a different finish.

12131.5. (a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements
of subdivision (a) of Section 12131 if another firearm made by the
same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs
from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following
features:
(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating,
oiling, or engraving.
(2) The material from which the grips are made.
(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference
in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions,
material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel,
the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the
firearm.
(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way
alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the
magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of
the firing mechanism of the firearm.
(b) Any manufacturer seeking to have a firearm listed under this
section shall provide to the Department of Justice all of the
following:
(1) The model designation of the listed firearm.
(2) The model designation of each firearm that the manufacturer
seeks to have listed under this section.
(3) A statement, under oath, that each unlisted firearm for which
listing is sought differs from the listed firearm only in one or more
of the ways identified in subdivision (a) and is in all other
respects identical to the listed firearm.
(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require
a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which
listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model
complies with the requirements of this section.

Please note 12131.5(a) says IF the differences are as listed, you don't have to test these - no giving the lab 3 copies, no testing fee, no supplying ammo.

12131.5(b) says the guns still must be listed on the Roster - fee paid, expiration date; if they're not on the Roster, 12125 says they cannot be sold to those not exempt from the Roster.

[jtmkinsd]

Please note 12131.5(a) says IF the differences are as listed, you don't have to test these - no giving the lab 3 copies, no testing fee, no supplying ammo.

12131.5(b) says the guns still must be listed on the Roster - fee paid, expiration date; if they're not on the Roster, 12125 says they cannot be sold to those not exempt from the Roster.

12125 says no selling "unsafe" handguns...that's all

12131 establishes the list (what's considered "safe" handguns)

12131.5 says any handgun which is only different from a listed gun in the cosmetic only features it lists are "deemed" to satisfy (12131...safe handgun list)

[CrazyJeep]

Sorry for somewhat hijacking the thread, but I figured since the roster is being discussed here, might as well shoot a question about it.

How exactly does the roster work concerning models of pistols. Are they related by serial number or by what is stamped on the side of the firearm? Using the OP's CZ gun in question as an example, is the DOJ not rostering that gun because CZ hasn't submitted the nickel model for evaluation? With all things being equal (gun mechanics, not finish), would that gun even be allowed to be shipped into California to a non LEO and be DROS'd if the gunstore didn't put "nickel" in the color box, or would the DOJ be able to determine the difference from the serial number?

[Librarian]

How exactly does the roster work concerning models of pistols. Are they related by serial number or by what is stamped on the side of the firearm?

I'm pretty sure the Roster descriptions are based on the description provided by the manufacturer. OTOH, look, for example, at Springfield - their model numbers seem to be related to some collection of physical characteristics.

Using the OP's CZ gun in question as an example, is the DOJ not rostering that gun because CZ hasn't submitted the nickel model for evaluation?

Probably they don't care to pay the fee for every possible finish; ask them, a number of gun manufacturers have been forthcoming about their plans r/t the Roster.

With all things being equal (gun mechanics, not finish), would that gun even be allowed to be shipped into California to a non LEO and be DROS'd if the gunstore didn't put "nickel" in the color box, or would the DOJ be able to determine the difference from the serial number?

Not the serial number; and, it would need to be shipped to an FFL holder - the enforcement is mostly through the DROS software.

[Librarian]

12125 says no selling "unsafe" handguns...that's all

12131 establishes the list (what's considered "safe" handguns)

12131.5 says any handgun which is only different from a listed gun in the cosmetic only features it lists are "deemed" to satisfy (12131...safe handgun list)

Please read further the California Code of Regulations 11 CCR 4070 - which, as I am sure you know, is law.

'Not unsafe' handguns, deemed so via 12131.5, must be added to the Roster before they can be sold.