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  • #16
    halifax
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 4440

    Originally posted by ke6guj
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    That does bring up an interesting situation if the handgun in question was a PPT or cosignment. What happens after the handgun is removed from the roster for failing a retest? Can it be delivered back to the original owner?
    Are PPT or consignment guns via PPT even subject to the roster?
    Jim


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    • #17
      halifax
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 4440

      Originally posted by bigbob76
      i had this happen to me, the gun fell off the list due to the fee not being paid and even though I showed the info listed previously to the FFL I still had 2 FFLs in a row refuse to start the DROS. At the time I got fed up with it and bought something different. Now I go to FFLs that know the law and don't act like they are doing me a favor. I do make a practice of buying stuff from them if I'm only there for a PPT.
      If they fall off the list for any reason before the DROS is submitted then it's a no-go. The FFLs could not have DROSed it legally even if they wanted to because it would no longer be on the drop-down list in the DROS software.
      Last edited by halifax; 10-06-2010, 7:44 PM.
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      • #18
        jtmkinsd
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 2352

        Originally posted by halifax
        Are PPT or consignment guns via PPT even subject to the roster?
        No they are roster exempt...only guns roster applies to are handguns shipped into CA.
        Originally posted by orangeglo
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        • #19
          ke6guj
          Moderator
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          • Nov 2003
          • 23725

          Originally posted by halifax
          Are PPT or consignment guns via PPT even subject to the roster?
          right, a PPT or cosignment (which is DROSed as a PPT) is exempt from the roster, but I was wondering if it doesn't get PPT, and has to be returned to the owner, is is roster exempt.

          And the answer is yes.

          12132. This chapter shall not apply to any of the following:
          (a) The sale, loan, or transfer of any firearm pursuant to Section 12082 in order to comply with subdivision (d) of Section 12072. The PPT exemption

          (e) The return of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person by a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071 to its owner where that firearm was initially delivered in the circumstances set forth in subdivisions (a), (d), (f), or (j). Says that if you delivered the handgun so that it could be PPT'ed, that it could be returned to you.


          (f) The return of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person by a person licensed pursuant to Section 12071 to its owner where that firearm was initially delivered to that licensee for the purpose of a consignment sale or as collateral for a pawnbroker loan. Specifically states that a cosigned handgun returned to the owner is exempt from the roster.


          Originally posted by jtmkinsd
          No they are roster exempt...only guns roster applies to are handguns shipped into CA.
          thats a poor way of describing the roster. The roster applies to handguns shipped within CA as well. the roster also applies to handguns bought by an FFL and placed in inventory.
          Jack



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          • #20
            jtmkinsd
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2010
            • 2352

            Originally posted by ke6guj
            thats a poor way of describing the roster. The roster applies to handguns shipped within CA as well. the roster also applies to handguns bought by an FFL and placed in inventory.
            Yeah...that's my bad...should say anything that's going to be processed as a dealer transfer is subject to roster (exluding exemptions of course)
            Originally posted by orangeglo
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