Transfer question

[Ryan121]

i have a family member in Ohio that has a pistol Ruger LCP. they offered send it to me in California. This gun is LEO only and not on the approved list. Can I have this gun transfered legally to me?

[Nick1236]

i have a family member in Ohio that has a pistol Ruger LCP. they offered send it to me in California. This gun is LEO only and not on the approved list. Can I have this gun transfered legally to me?

I believe if they physically step foot in California and do a FTF PPT then you should be alright. There is no way they can ship it to you, iirc it must be a FTF transfer.

[ke6guj]

only if that family member is your grandparent, parent, child, or grandchild. If any one of those 4 listed types, then yes, it can be transfered to you though a CA FFL in a roster-exempt intrafamily transfer.

[ke6guj]

I believe if they physically step foot in California and do a FTF PPT then you should be alright. There is no way they can ship it to you, iirc it must be a FTF transfer.

you can't do a PPT transfer with an out-of-state seller.

[Droc101]

They can transfer the firearm to your parent grandparent or offspring and then you could do the intrafamilial transfer. they just ship it to the ffl with a letter stating that they are giving it to you as a gift as well as their identifying info.

[brianm767]

I believe if they physically step foot in California and do a FTF PPT then you should be alright. There is no way they can ship it to you, iirc it must be a FTF transfer.

Not exactly, as ke6guj said, if it is a child, parent or grandparent then yes they can send it to a Cali FFL as a gift to you, or they can bring it to Cali and meet you at a FFL and do the same intrafamily transfer, it has to go through a FFL to meet Federal requirements, intrafamily transfers are roster exempt.

If it is a cousin, brother or sister or any other type of relative, then it's a no go, but if the Ohio relative has a parent, child or grandparent who lives in Cali, then they could gift it to them as mentioned above, and then after it is in the state legally, they could then do a FTF private party transfer to you.

If it is a brother or sister, and they gift it to one of your parents or grandparents here in Cali, then that parent/grandparent could then transfer it to you through the form that's available on the DOJ's web sight, no FFL involved, $19 dollar fee.

[Munk]

Not exactly, as ke6guj said, if it is a child, parent or grandparent then yes they can send it to a Cali FFL as a gift to you, or they can bring it to Cali and meet you at a FFL and do the same intrafamily transfer, it has to go through a FFL to meet Federal requirements, intrafamily transfers are roster exempt.
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The problem with them bringing it to CA is that it is still considered an out of state transfer. Roster exempt, but still out of state, and there are a large number of FFLs who have no idea how to handle the intrafamily exemption, or rather, who insist you CANT (i hate FUD so much). Because it's "crossing state lines" they might insist on having the gun shipped to them... and that's the sticking point that i've never been too clear on...

The bottom line is, find an FFL who's educated enough to handle the intrafamily interstate transfer (roster exempt, be sure they know that, and tell them the PC for it so they can look it up if they don't already know). Then find out if they can deal with it being dropped off in person and the fees involved (not a PPT so they can charge what they wish i think)..

[brianm767]

The problem with them bringing it to CA is that it is still considered an out of state transfer. Roster exempt, but still out of state, and there are a large number of FFLs who have no idea how to handle the intrafamily exemption, or rather, who insist you CANT (i hate FUD so much). Because it's "crossing state lines" they might insist on having the gun shipped to them... and that's the sticking point that i've never been too clear on...

The bottom line is, find an FFL who's educated enough to handle the intrafamily interstate transfer (roster exempt, be sure they know that, and tell them the PC for it so they can look it up if they don't already know). Then find out if they can deal with it being dropped off in person and the fees involved (not a PPT so they can charge what they wish i think)..

Yes, I am my self having problems finding a FFL who is familiar with the rules of how to do it, weather it's shipped in or dropped off, it is legal for them to bring it here as discussed to ship it for the transfer, but you are right, many dealers have no ideal how to do it, Ten Percent Arms in Taft is willing to do it, either shipped or in person, it's just out of my way for now.

[ColdDeadHands1]

I searched for my question and found this thread. I thought I would ask here in lieu of a new thread.

I have a friend who lives in Utah. I would like to buy his off list revolver. He travels to CA often and I go to Utah occasionally. Is there any legal way to make this transfer?

Also, both of my parents live in CA and all grandparents are gone. So no luck with that angle. It seems like I am SOL, right?

[Librarian]

I searched for my question and found this thread. I thought I would ask here in lieu of a new thread.

I have a friend who lives in Utah. I would like to buy his off list revolver. He travels to CA often and I go to Utah occasionally. Is there any legal way to make this transfer?

Also, both of my parents live in CA and all grandparents are gone. So no luck with that angle. It seems like I am SOL, right?

No legal way with the described conditions.

For a CA resident to buy a handgun, must go through a CA FFL.

FFL transferred handgun in CA must be on the Roster unless the buyer is exempt.

Intra-family is an exemption, but you say that does not apply.

[ColdDeadHands1]

To really put this to bed, can anyone confirm this statement from above?

you can't do a PPT transfer with an out-of-state seller.

Even if that out of state seller comes to CA for the transfer?

[Quiet]

To really put this to bed, can anyone confirm this statement from above?


Even if that out of state seller comes to CA for the transfer?

A PPT is a face-to-face private party transfer between CA residents facilitated by a CA FFL dealer.

If the out-of-state seller comes to CA, it is not considered a PPT.
Handgun will need to be on the approved list or be exempt from the approved list.

[jtmkinsd]

To really put this to bed, can anyone confirm this statement from above?



Even if that out of state seller comes to CA for the transfer?

While there is nothing in the PC which specifically says the seller cannot be from out of State, CA PC does specifically state what is considered "valid proof of identity", a CA DL/ID, or Military orders with orders to a duty station in CA. So, the DROS program will only accept one of those three items. By default, the seller must be a CA resident. Now, having said that, theoretically if a non-resident of CA has a valid CA ID, they could sell a firearm through a PPT. BUT, if for whatever reason the buyer is denied, and DOJ runs the seller, there could be issues returning the gun to the seller.

[dfletcher]

Regarding the "interstate, intrafamilial transfer" I've had it done once. There's no state form per se to document the gun is coming from a family member, the party to be satisfied is the FFL receiving the handgun. I had mine sent with a dated, signed letter (DL copy included) stating in effect "I, so & so, am gifting this gun (make, model, serial number, caliber & bbl length) to my son, so & so".

I was going to have her include a "Bonnie & Clyde" photo of her holding the gun but thought that might be a bit over the top ...