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  • OneSevenDeuce
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 2288

    SIG P229 SAS range report.

    My much anticipated (at least by me) range trip to test out my P229 SAS finally happened today. 5 boxes of Blazer .40 S&W practice ammo, and two boxes of Remington high velocity jacketed hollow points later, I can say that I have drawn some conclusions on the peculiar little gun. First, I do want to specify that this particular pistol comes with the DAK (Double Action Kellerman) trigger, so anytime I reference the trigger that is the specific style I am talking about. Naturally the first thing that jumped out at me, even when dry firing, is that this trigger is heavy. I mean HEAVY. You really start to notice it after burning off a few boxes of ammo. The trigger pull is also pretty long, even after firing the first round when the trigger resets into a semi single action type position. Think of it as a halfway point between a standard DA/SA pistol. Finding were the trigger resets was a bit of a problem for me as a guy who is used to Glocks and 1911s, until I got used to it. And I haven't fully gotten used to it yet. That having been said, it isn't the worst trigger I've ever felt. It just isn't a very good one by my estimation. One illustration of this is that when I first started shooting all my rounds were impacting low. Really low. I tried holding over higher and it hardly helped. Perplexed I tried dry firing and saw that the trigger pull was so long and heavy that the muzzle started to point down as I muscled the trigger back to break the shot. It is definitely something that will take some getting used to.

    Accuracy was very good when I took my time and was able to overcome the trigger. One thing I believe may contribute to this great accuracy is that the barrel locks up very tight when the slide is forward. It is almost a given that it will come to rest in the same spot after every round. 2 inch 25 yard groups were not a problem after some practice, but again, the trigger hurt accuracy. The sights helped in the accuracy department as the tritium night sight was easily picked up with the single dot rear sight. One sort of obvious disadvantage of the sight system is that only the front sight is tritium. In very low light the front sight post is easy to see, however the rear sight is a standard white dot that you cannot see in very low light. It doesn't do me much good to know where the front sight post is if I have no rear sight to judge it off of.

    The function was flawless. This gun is not new, so I don't know what it was like during it's first few hundred rounds, but as I have it now I experienced zero malfunctions with either ammo type. The magazine release is well placed and my average sized hands had no difficulty actuating it when needed. The wood stocks look great but from a practical stand point they offer little in the way of positive pistol control. There is a small degree of checkering on the stocks, but nothing aggressive enough to offer the sort of grip that I prefer. The stocks are also quite bulky and although the pistol was designed to be snag free for concealment the width of the stocks might make that challenging.

    Recoil was nothing unmanageable with either the practice Blazers, or the high velocity JHPs. The P229 is a pretty hefty pistol for a semi compact and it's all steel construction really absorbs a lot of the recoil of the powerful .40 S&W. A lot of that may have something to do with the strong twined recoil spring and the hefty slide. You can still definitely tell that you are firing a .40 however, nothing will change that completely.

    Below is the breakdown of my ratings for this gun.

    Ergonomics: 3 out of 5 stars. The wood stocks are a bit too wide for comfort.

    Balance: 4 out of 5 stars. The pistol is a bit top heavy but nothing overly noticeable.

    Recoil: 4 out of 5 stars. The all steel construction absorbed much of the .40 S&W's recoil.

    Reliability: 5 out of 5 stars. No failures to feed, or eject.

    Trigger: 2 out of 5 stars. Long and heavy, the trigger is easily the weakest part of this pistol.

    Accuracy: 3 out of 5 stars. If not for the trigger complicating matters, the accuracy would be much better. Otherwise, very accurate.

    All in all this is a good pistol. Reliability is great and if you want a heavy trigger as some sort of safety device then this would be a good choice for you. It will not replace the Glock in my nightstand, but would probably do a decent job of defending my life if it needed to. For me it was more of a collector's piece than a true self defense weapon. Cheers!
    Last edited by OneSevenDeuce; 09-15-2010, 11:40 PM.
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    Rhythm of Life
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2800

    The obligatory:

    The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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    • #3
      OneSevenDeuce
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2010
      • 2288

      Well, I already made a post with pics and didn't want to flood the boards with pics of the same thing. In case you missed it though, here they are...





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      • #4
        Rhythm of Life
        Veteran Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 2800

        Its a bummer those wood grips don't fit you that well its a beautiful addition to a collection. Thanks for pulling those pics.
        The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

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        • #5
          OneSevenDeuce
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2010
          • 2288

          Originally posted by Rhythm of Life
          Its a bummer those wood grips don't fit you that well its a beautiful addition to a collection. Thanks for pulling those pics.
          Yeah, I'm not going to swap them out or anything. They are too pretty, and this isn't going to be my HD gun anyway. Might end up a safe queen, but not before a few hundred more rounds.
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          • #6
            Kuhrazygunner
            Junior Member
            • Sep 2010
            • 2

            hey bro nice gun. great review. keep it up!

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            • #7
              ruddogg
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 2581

              thanks for the review!

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              • #8
                Grayblue
                Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 314

                Originally posted by OneSevenDeuce
                ...

                Accuracy: 3 out of 5 stars. If not for the trigger complicating matters, the accuracy would be much better. Otherwise, very accurate.

                All in all this is a good pistol. Reliability is great and if you want a heavy trigger as some sort of safety device then this would be a good choice for you. It will not replace the Glock in my nightstand, but would probably do a decent job of defending my life if it needed to. For me it was more of a collector's piece than a true self defense weapon. Cheers!
                DAK is my favorite. But, it's clearly not for everyone. Yes, the pull is pretty long. It has a reset probably longer than any other pistol. I don't use the short reset which makes the trigger 8 lb. I use the long reset and keep getting the 6.5 lb resistance. I find the longer 6.5lb pull easier to control with speed than the short 8 lb reset point.

                You're claiming that the trigger is heavy, but that's very subjective. To put in objective perspective, there is not much other trigger that is lighter either with the exception of SA trigger like 1911.

                Even Glock trigger is not actually much lighter. The manufacturer's claim is that DAK's resistance is 6.5 lb. The Glock factory is claimed to be 5.5 lb, but that's actually when it's measured near the tip(max leverage). If you measure the resistance by where the trigger finger is actually placed, the resistace goes up to about 7 or even 8 lb. According to my measurement, both breaks around slightly above 7 lb.

                Coming from a DA/SA, I'd say the DAK resistance is medium. I started learening from 12 lb DA/SA like USP, DA/SA SIG, and Ruger.

                From pure mechanical point, your SAS would do pretty well. I can hit 10 cm plate around 35m with my P226R DAK, and I'm pretty sure the gun itself is capable of higher accuracy. If I miss, I know it's not the gun's fault.

                The biggest advantage the DAK holds as far as I am concerned is that it's the smoothest trigger of any out of the box pistol I've ever encountered. Combined with the 6.5 lb resistance, that makes it the easiest trigger for me to control. That controllability makes it easier to me to hit with even compared to shorter pull and slightly lighter resistace trigger pistol like Glock or M&P.

                It does take some dedication to get used to DAK, but thenagain what trigger doesn't? But, if it's not going to by your primary pistol, I don't see the point of trying.
                Last edited by Grayblue; 09-16-2010, 1:01 PM.

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                • #9
                  OneSevenDeuce
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 2288

                  Originally posted by Grayblue
                  You're claiming that the trigger is heavy, but that's very subjective.
                  Yup, as is my entire review.

                  As far the DAK, eh, like I said, it's not the worst trigger I have ever felt. However the heaviness plus the long pull makes it nicht so gut in my opinion. The point I was making vis a vis the Glock and 1911 triggers is that they are sometimes heavy, sometimes not, but the pull length is much shorter, as is the reset, which makes it easier for ME. A short trigger reset is one of the main things I look for in a trigger and this one just doesn't have it. That having been said I was getting rather used to the DAK by the end of the day and it wasn't affecting me as badly as it was when I started. However it wouldn't be my first choice.
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                  • #10
                    JohnnyCrash
                    Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 103

                    Thanks for the review!

                    I'll be getting a SIG 226 soon and am still wondering about the DAK/trigger.
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                    • #11
                      OneSevenDeuce
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 2288

                      Yeah, as you can see some folks like it, others like me do not. It's all a matter of what you are accustomed to.
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                      • #12
                        Greg-Dawg
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2006
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                        Range reports require pics of your targets also, like my excellent shooting skillz at 25 yards.

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                        • #13
                          OneSevenDeuce
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 2288

                          Originally posted by Greg-Dawg
                          Range reports require pics of your targets also, like my excellent shooting skillz at 25 yards.
                          Only if you are a braggard.
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                          • #14
                            Greg-Dawg
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 7793

                            Originally posted by OneSevenDeuce
                            Only if you are a braggard.
                            My new name: Greg-Braggard-Dawg.

                            Nice range report by the way.

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                            • #15
                              OneSevenDeuce
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 2288

                              Originally posted by Greg-Dawg
                              My new name: Greg-Braggard-Dawg.

                              Nice range report by the way.
                              Nice name. Better give me credit.
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