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[bubbapug1]

done

[vta]

any shop carrying virgin lowers can DROS them as pistols regardless of its markings. its just a matter of whether or not you are legally able to buy it and if they are knowledgeable and willing to do it. LEO can buy them since they are roster exempt but to dros a lower as a pistol by a civilian, it has to fit an exemption from the handgun roster such as being built as a single shot. finishing an 80% is another way as well as PPT'ing a used one. i do not know what ways there are to obtain a virgin pistol lower new from a shop. maybe someone else can chime in.

[Cokebottle]

For a non-exempt person:

1 - Buy it as a complete, roster exempt pistol. Dimensionally compliant single shot... 10.5" OAL, 6" minimum barrel length.

2 - Interstate intrafamilial transfer (through an understanding California FFL who both knows that intrafamilial transfers are roster-exempt, and is willing to DROS a stripped lower as a handgun).

3 - Import as a new California resident (not really an option for most Californians)

4 - PPT from someone who already has one

5 - Build your own from an 80% paperweight.

It is currently not possible to simply walk into Riflegear and purchase a stripped lower and then make it into a pistol. The 4473 will be checked to indicate "other", which is fine, but the DOJ DROS software only accepts "long gun" or "handgun"... and since a stripped lower is neither roster-compliant, nor roster-exempt, it must be processed as a "long gun".

[vta]

btw, do not try to buy or sell a finished 80% lower. illegal. I don't know if its legal to hire someone to finish one for you. i am thinking it is not but does anyone know the answer to that?

[bubbapug1]

lol

[leelaw]

btw, do not try to buy or sell a finished 80% lower. illegal. I don't know if its legal to hire someone to finish one for you. i am thinking it is not but does anyone know the answer to that?

If you are building an 80% lower, YOU must be the one making the finishing cuts. Someone else can help you set it up, but you need to operate the machine, whether that is several passes with a mill, or pressing the GO button on a CNC machine.

[Cokebottle]

btw, do not try to buy or sell a finished 80% lower. illegal.

Yes and no. It is illegal to manufacture with the intent to sell.
It IS legal to sell one that you have manufactured for personal use, however, it must have the proper markings required by the BATFE, including the manufacturer's name (your name), city, model, and serial number.

That would also be required before doing a Vol-Reg.

Home-built AK-pattern rifles and pistols are sold all the time. It's a matter of intent.

I don't know if its legal to hire someone to finish one for you. anyone?

Again, yes and no.
You can farm the work out to an 07FFL, but the problem is, you gave them a chunk of aluminum. They turned it into a firearm. They have to DROS is back to you. See above... not possible to DROS the pistol lower to a non-exempt person.

You CAN enlist the AID of a gunsmith or another person to assist you in completing your lower, but you have to be the one that actually performs the work.

[glockwise2000]

Just a curious question. How would DOJ find if you finish an 80% or if someone else did it for you?

[vta]

Just a curious question. How would DOJ find if you finish an 80% or if someone else did it for you?

same way they find out that you didn't own that 30 rounder before 2000.

where can i buy an 80% lower? I have a new smithy, I can machine it easily

lots of places. here are a couple companies who are members here.

Tactical Machining
Sacramento Black Rifle

(btw, cokebottle! i have never seen anyone rack up so many posts in such a short period of time. does someone pay you to be here!?!? where do i sign up?!?! )

[vta]

here is another related question that might be of interested to the OP.

is owning an 80% paperweight enough to be in possession of an AR pistol upper?

[gunsmithcats]

nope because its not a firearm.
So having an pistol upper with no pistol lower can be constructive intent if u have a rifle lower.

[Cokebottle]

(btw, cokebottle! i have never seen anyone rack up so many posts in such a short period of time. does someone pay you to be here!?!? where do i sign up?!?! )

Kinda.... I was unemployed when I joined.
My days were spent on the phone, sending emails, and looking for openings posted online.