Why I can't buy an XD

[1 SIG fan]

Besides the sig fan part...

I saw today that you cannot even rack the slide without depressing the grip safety. That's dangerous to me... I prefer my guns as functional as possible. I shot GREAT with a 3.9 in .40. Loved it but it seems like a liability if u can't rack the slide in a wierd grip during an injury or weird malfunction clear...

I like my glocks . Does the m&p suffer the same issues

[CA Gun Laws Suck]

Nope the M&P does not have that safety on the backstrap like the XD series...So you can rack the slide on the M&P any way you want.

[ZombieTactics]

... I saw today that you cannot even rack the slide without depressing the grip safety. ...

It weirded me out the first time I experienced this. After working with it about 10 minutes, it's never been an issue since.

You can play the "what if" game forever regarding dozens of possible problems with dozens of different designs. What if a piece of gum comes flying out of your mouth and gets stuck in the hammer of your 1911?

[Shenaniguns]

Besides the sig fan part...

I saw today that you cannot even rack the slide without depressing the grip safety. That's dangerous to me... I prefer my guns as functional as possible. I shot GREAT with a 3.9 in .40. Loved it but it seems like a liability if u can't rack the slide in a wierd grip during an injury or weird malfunction clear...

I like my glocks . Does the m&p suffer the same issues

This is one issue that Firearm Instructors and Industry Professionals have a problem with which makes them a no go. And no M&P's do not suffer from this...

[russ69]

That's dangerous to me... I prefer my guns as functional as possible. ... it seems like a liability if u can't rack the slide in a wierd grip during an injury or weird malfunction clear...

How exactly would you be holding the gun and racking the slide without holding the gun properly? How were you planning on shooting it? With your teeth, LOL? So you are planning for the day when you are in a critical situation, your gun jams, you can't hold it with either hand, because they are injured, but you could clear it and save the day if only you could just hold it by the.........? and work the slide. Wow, that's planning ahead.

Thanx, Russ

[Shenaniguns]

How exactly would you be holding the gun and racking the slide without holding the gun properly? How were you planning on shooting it? With your teeth, LOL? So you are planning for the day when you are in a critical situation, your gun jams, you can't hold it with either hand, because they are injured, but you could clear it and save the day if only you could just hold it by the.........? and work the slide. Wow, that's planning ahead.

Thanx, Russ

He's speaking of one handed manipulations where you need to clear a malfunction or even load it.

[sd_shooter]

At least the safety prevents Glock Leg

[Fjold]

At least the safety prevents Glock Leg

Good safety habits prevent Glock leg.

[buffalkill]

xd

You can play the "what if" game forever regarding dozens of possible problems with dozens of different designs. What if a piece of gum comes flying out of your mouth and gets stuck in the hammer of your 1911?

That's hells funny, but now I'm not gonna be able to chew gum and shoot anymore. I've had my xd since the first .45acp came out. I have never noticed this feature/Problem, until I read this thread. I hope I don't develope a complex over this.

[russ69]

He's speaking of one handed manipulations where you need to clear a malfunction or even load it.

I know all the "if this ever happens" drills, I'm just saying that you'll have more luck winning the lotto than you'll ever have a chance of having so many malfunctions, while under threat, with 2 injured hands and no ability to clear the slide because a gun has a grip safety that locks the slide. That would be fairly long odds......just saying.

Thanx, Russ

[Bigtwin]

Man I must be missing somthing here. My XD40 has the grip safety "uninstalled" (dont ask why), but still functions fine! I need to correct the lack of the grip safety but it still functions fine!

[1 SIG fan]

No big league chew and 1911s anymore.... Thanks Alot guys.

I agree its a "what if" but that's why I have SD/HD weapons. What if.....

Yes, one handed manupliations maybe a underhand hold and rack the slide on something. Dunno what I might NEED to do bit I don't like knowing what I can't do

[Shenaniguns]

At least the safety prevents Glock Leg

Please tell me how the XD w/o a thumb safety would prevent a Negligent Discharge to the leg that a Glock would not, I'm all ears.

[Shenaniguns]

I know all the "if this ever happens" drills, I'm just saying that you'll have more luck winning the lotto than you'll ever have a chance of having so many malfunctions, while under threat, with 2 injured hands and no ability to clear the slide because a gun has a grip safety that locks the slide. That would be fairly long odds......just saying.

Thanx, Russ

Many people both LEO and civi's train where you need to clear malfunctions one handed. Any Intermediate and up class from Magpul, Tactical Response or Magpul Dynamics would make you do this for example.

[vintagedude88]

This is exactly the problem I have about any handgun that has a grip safety. To me it has serious limitations as a SD/ HD gun.

IMHO an SD/HD gun should be free of safeties even decockers. All you need is a clear head and the basic sense of knowing when to put your finger on the trigger. This is why Glocks, DAO semi-autos and DA revolvers are best for this job.

My Sigma can be racked and fired in any manner possible that manipulate the mechanism to function. When racked, I am confident that it will go bang no matter how the trigger is pulled.