5 or more multiple PPT's in a year

[MarCay08]

Any input would help. thanks in advance folks!!

ok, this year alone I had bought 1 lower reciever and 1 pistol new from a gun shop. I also sold the same lower reciever,my mossberg shotgun and .308 bolt action (3 separate PPT's). I PPT'd 3 pistols, and a lever action (all from the same person). I have my eye on a couple more pistols. Now my question is, will my transactions fall within the 5-6 purchases/year? Will this get me in trouble? I know that transferring multiple handguns already raises a red flag as the store has to send extra paper works when someone purchases multiple handguns in one shot. Would this affect me in purchasing (PPT) anymore handguns/rifles?

Does the 5-6 rule only apply to NEW purhases or does it include PPT's? I read somewhere here that DOJ doesnt specifically put a number but to be on the safe side to stay under 6/year.

Pls give me some insight on this so that i wont have to keep buying all the pretty handguns/rifles here on Calguns!!! It's cutting deep into my pockets!!

thanks again

[bombadillo]

Don't do it, I got flagged for awhile and they basically said no more transfers or you're going to be getting an FFL.

[MarCay08]

I believe the rule only applies to sales. Purchases are limited to your wallet or wife.

That's what I'm thingking because they wouldnt let you do multiple PPt's at one time if that rule applies.

[Vin496]

Does the 5-6 rule only apply to NEW purhases or does it include PPT's? I read somewhere here that DOJ doesnt specifically put a number but to be on the safe side to stay under 6/year.

Pls give me some insight on this so that i wont have to keep buying all the pretty handguns/rifles here on Calguns!!! It's cutting deep into my pockets!!

thanks again

The 5-6 rule is for PPT sales, it has nothing to do with purchases(new or PPT). It is also different sales, for instance you sell Tom 4 rifles at one time, that only counts as 1 PPT.

Of course the limiting factor on new purchases on pistols is the 1-30 rule, and no limit on rifle purchases.

[littlejake]

Don't do it, I got flagged for awhile and they basically said no more transfers or you're going to be getting an FFL.

Who flagged you? ATF or CA DOJ? Was it by letter?

[biglou]

Who flagged you? ATF or CA DOJ? Was it by letter?

I was wondering the same thing. How did they "flag" you ?

[sevensix2x51]

ehh, ive done 5 or 6 ppt sales in the past month. should i be worried?

[Quiet]

More than 6 handgun PPTs (in which you are the seller) in a calendar year, can get you in trouble as an unlicensed dealer.




Penal Code 12070
(a) No person shall sell, lease, or transfer firearms unless he or she has been issued a license pursuant to Section 12071. Any person violating this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not include any of the following:
(4) The infrequent sale, lease, or transfer of firearms.
(c)(1) As used in this section, "infrequent" means:
(A) For pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, less than six transactions per calendar year. For this purpose, "transaction" means a single sale, lease, or transfer of any number of pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person.
(B) For firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, occasional and without regularity.

[sevensix2x51]

whew, i think im ok. i thought it was for ALL ppt sales.. thanks! (note to self- dont sell any more handguns!)

[bombadillo]

Who flagged you? ATF or CA DOJ? Was it by letter?

Sorry it took so long, worked all day. I was flagged by the DOJ and what happened was that they just blocked my name from sales until a phone call was made. My FFL ended up making a call and asked what the deal was and he came back with the "slap on the wrist" and said they basically told him that this was my last transfer this year and it was around august/sept or so. It was really no big deal but when he came back and said that if I want to do any more transfers I have to get an FFL it was a bit of a wake up.

[1 SIG fan]

How the F can they stop you from liquidating personal assets for cash in a economic crissis. Thats insane

[littlejake]

How the F can they stop you from liquidating personal assets for cash in a economic crissis. Thats insane

Well, one can liquidate all their guns if necessary. If I understand correctly it's not the number of guns it's the number of transfers. i.e. --- if you owned 20 guns you could sell them all to one person in a single transaction; or multiple guns to as many as 5 persons in 5 transactions... (following the law about using a dealer to do the transfers.)

BTW -- bombadillo, Thanks for telling us the way they "flagged" you. Good to know. I'm guessing the DROS software at DOJ is set up to block more than 5 transfers in a calendar year (I wonder if that's a running 12 month window?)

[Robidouxs]

What does not make any sense is that they know that the pistol is going from you to person x, all information is present on the seller and person x. Just like you DROSing 20 of one type of pistol, they know exactly who, where, and when you are selling. It is not a though you are on the street corner handing out pistols in a brown bag to whomever passes on by.

At least I am now aware of the limit, I am very surprised I did not know this.

[Robidouxs]

I'm still attempting to comprehend this "calendar" year limitation. Does it really mean the following? Just trying to clarify so there is no confusion.

-the seller shall be limited to only 5 PPT of handguns for the entire year of 2010 before being mandated to retain an FFL.

[MarCay08]

More than 6 handgun PPTs (in which you are the seller) in a calendar year, can get you in trouble as an unlicensed dealer.




Penal Code 12070
(a) No person shall sell, lease, or transfer firearms unless he or she has been issued a license pursuant to Section 12071. Any person violating this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not include any of the following:
(4) The infrequent sale, lease, or transfer of firearms.
(c)(1) As used in this section, "infrequent" means:
(A) For pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, less than six transactions per calendar year. For this purpose, "transaction" means a single sale, lease, or transfer of any number of pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person.
(B) For firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, occasional and without regularity.

if this is the case, then I am still in GOOD terms!! (yahoooooo!!!) I havent sold any pistols, only rifles. i bought 3 from one person and did it all in one day. i did another ppt from a friend last week (sold me his XD9 tactical in OD green)

Again, THANK YOU ALL for the inputs...