Fees: PPT vs. interstate intrafamilial transfer

[Ike Arumba]

My out-of-state son has a handgun to send to me. A local FFL's website states that their PPT fees are $25 for DROS + $10 for dealer transfer fee, or $35 total. I called them up to ask if it was the same for handling an intrafamilial transfer from an out-of-state son. At first they (the fellow who first picked up the phone, and then his manager) insisted that I could just take it from him, and didn't need an FFL. But having read so many threads and documents on this site, I insisted that federal law demanded that my son send it to an FFL to do the transfer. The manager then stated that it would cost me $75 for using an FFL + $25 for the background check.

Are the two varieties of transfer so different that the fees should be that disparate?

[Capt_Communist]

In California a PPT is when both parties are present in the store transfering a firearm. Max they can charge is $35 per law.


Anything other than that it's open to what the FFL wants to charge. They can only charge $25 for the DROS (background) and anything else needs to be labeled as a separate fee on the receipt.


Since it is your son, you could technically have him give you the firearm and then you wouldn't have to register it, but that would require you to go get it from him, or have him bring it next time he visits. If this isn't an option, then yes, you would have to go through an FFL and have them do the transfer for you, then you would also have to do the DROS and a 10 day waiting period.


If you wanted to register it, you can go to the DOJ website and send in the form along with $19 and you're covered

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/volreg.pdf

Good luck

[ke6guj]

My out-of-state son has a handgun to send to me. A local FFL's website states that their PPT fees are $25 for DROS + $10 for dealer transfer fee, or $35 total. I called them up to ask if it was the same for handling an intrafamilial transfer from an out-of-state son. At first they (the fellow who first picked up the phone, and then his manager) insisted that I could just take it from him, and didn't need an FFL. But having read so many threads and documents on this site, I insisted that federal law demanded that my son send it to an FFL to do the transfer. The manager then stated that it would cost me $75 for using an FFL + $25 for the background check.

Are the two varieties of transfer so different that the fees should be that disparate?

Yes, an interstate intrafamily transfer is basically like any other dealer transfer, and even more involved since the dealer has to properly DROS with the roster exemption, and maintain the paperwork to show why it was roster-exempt in case of an audit.

In California a PPT is when both parties are present in the store transfering a firearm. Max they can charge is $35 per law.

and due to the way that the PPT DROS software is set up, both parties must be CA residents.

Since it is your son, you could technically have him give you the firearm and then you wouldn't have to register it.

wrong, CA law requires you to register any intrafamily handgun transfers. And if you didn't use a CA FFL to facilitate the transfer, you would have violated federal law.

If you wanted to register it, you can go to the DOJ website and send in the form along with $19 and you're covered

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/volreg.pdf

you didn't even link to the proper form, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/oplaw.pdf . but it doesn't matter, neither form absolves you of the requirement to use a CA FFL to facilitate the transfer if it is coming from a non-CA-resident.

[valkylrie]

Ca Law does not require FFL, Federal requires it if the firearm is crossing state lines is my understanding

[ke6guj]

Ca Law does not require FFL, Federal requires it if the firearm is crossing state lines is my understanding

correct. bwiese goes into more detail here, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=137527

[Capt_Communist]

ke6guj

Thanks for clarifying... seems like I was given FUD at a shop, but now I'm smarter.

Thanks again

[DaveFJ80]

From what I've reseached on here and by calling around, around $60 total ($25 DROS & $35 transfer fee) is about the best you're going to find.... unless you have a hookup with a particular FFL.

Obviously the nice thing about intrafamily transfers is that you can get a non-rostered or pretty much whatever handgun you want, with a 10 round mag for it. Otherwise, you play the waiting game and hope for somebody to sell their 2nd hand firearm that you want in the FS section (often at an inflated price).

[Ike Arumba]

Thanks, Dave. I'll do some more calling.