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  • Blue
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2005
    • 8068

    I want to loan out my P22...

    A friend of mine is taking a friend out shooting and he wants to know if I can loan him my P22. He's under 21, but over 18. What does he need to borrow it? I know he's not going to get into any trouble with it, but what's the law?
    Lord, make my hand fast and accurate.
    Let my aim be true and my hand faster
    than those who would seek to destroy me.
    Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
    Let not my last thought be 'If I only had my gun."
    And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home, let me die in an empty pile of brass.
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  • #2
    maurice05
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2007
    • 791

    wouldnt he have to be 21 or older since thats the age you need to be to buy one ?
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    • #3
      mike100
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2006
      • 2507

      in CA, if you aren't exempt like LE, CCW or COE etc, you need to possess an HSC card to have/borrow somebody else's handgun (not incl while you are present with them at the range or whatever). There is also some language about that person being known to the lender to be eligible to posses firearms.

      since he isn't 21, that doesn't strictly disqualify him from interfamiliar transfer/loan, but in this case I'd like to see him get an HSC being underage.

      long story short..my guess is NO.

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      • #4
        Blue
        Calguns Addict
        • Oct 2005
        • 8068

        Originally posted by mike100
        in CA, if you aren't exempt like LE, CCW or COE etc, you need to possess an HSC card to have/borrow somebody else's handgun (not incl while you are present with them at the range or whatever). There is also some language about that person being known to the lender to be eligible to posses firearms.

        since he isn't 21, that doesn't strictly disqualify him from interfamiliar transfer/loan, but in this case I'd like to see him get an HSC being underage.

        long story short..my guess is NO.
        IIRC I read somewhere that he'd need an HSC. So he should probably get that. I'm pretty sure the whole loan thing would be legal as long as he had an HSC, but is there anyone here that can clarify?
        Lord, make my hand fast and accurate.
        Let my aim be true and my hand faster
        than those who would seek to destroy me.
        Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
        Let not my last thought be 'If I only had my gun."
        And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home, let me die in an empty pile of brass.
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        NRA Member

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        • #5
          bwiese
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Oct 2005
          • 27616

          I'd hope that the P22 was either a P22CA or was retrofitted to not be an illegal AW, since they were originally sold in CA with threaded bbls.

          Bill Wiese
          San Jose, CA

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          • #6
            Blue
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2005
            • 8068

            Originally posted by bwiese
            I'd hope that the P22 was either a P22CA or was retrofitted to not be an illegal AW, since they were originally sold in CA with threaded bbls.
            Yes Bill its a P22CA.
            Lord, make my hand fast and accurate.
            Let my aim be true and my hand faster
            than those who would seek to destroy me.
            Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
            Let not my last thought be 'If I only had my gun."
            And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home, let me die in an empty pile of brass.
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            NRA Member

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            • #7
              ns3v3n
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2007
              • 1535

              so your friend who is loaning the p22 is over 21? if so, it's ok if not, that's a no no. the person who possess the handgun must be 21.

              if he's 21 and he got a 18 year old with him who wants to shoot, then that's ok.
              The stuff that goes boom.

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              • #8
                leelaw
                Junior Member
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 10445

                Originally posted by ns3v3n
                so your friend who is loaning the p22 is over 21? if so, it's ok if not, that's a no no. the person who possess the handgun must be 21.

                if he's 21 and he got a 18 year old with him who wants to shoot, then that's ok.
                Hmm.. I thought it was 21 to purchase, 18 to possess a handgun in California.

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                • #9
                  sorensen440
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 8611

                  I copyed this directly From the doj website

                  Is a Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) required when a handgun is being loaned?
                  It depends on the specific circumstances. Generally, a person being loaned a handgun must have a current Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC). However, an HSC is not required when the loan does not exceed three days in duration and the person loaning the handgun is at all times within the presence of the person being loaned the handgun.

                  I dont know about loaning a handgun to somone under 21 but I do know they cant buy ammo so you had better do some research
                  Its worth spending some time searching the doj website
                  http://ag.ca.gov/firearms
                  "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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                  • #10
                    Blue
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 8068

                    Originally posted by sorensen440

                    I dont know about loaning a handgun to somone under 21 but I do know they cant buy ammo so you had better do some research
                    Its worth spending some time searching the doj website
                    http://ag.ca.gov/firearms
                    It shoots 22lr

                    On another note, how does someone with a camp 9 buy ammo if they're not 21?
                    Lord, make my hand fast and accurate.
                    Let my aim be true and my hand faster
                    than those who would seek to destroy me.
                    Grant me victory over my foes and those who wish to do harm to me and mine.
                    Let not my last thought be 'If I only had my gun."
                    And Lord, if today is truly the day you call me home, let me die in an empty pile of brass.
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                    NRA Member

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                    • #11
                      ivanimal
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                      • Sep 2002
                      • 14348

                      If you are lucky he wont give it back.

                      (does that tell you how much I care for mine?)
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                      • #12
                        leelaw
                        Junior Member
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 10445

                        Originally posted by ivanimal
                        If you are lucky he wont give it back.

                        (does that tell you how much I care for mine?)

                        I'll give you a buck fiddy for it. Final offer.

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                        • #13
                          The Soup Nazi
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2455

                          Originally posted by ivanimal
                          If you are lucky he wont give it back.

                          (does that tell you how much I care for mine?)
                          "Don't get these mixed up, the P22 only takes the Stingers, okay?"

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                          • #14
                            ns3v3n
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 1535

                            i'm pretty sure if you're 18 and you got pulled over by a cop and you have a handgun in the back of your truck, you're pretty much screwed.
                            The stuff that goes boom.

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                            • #15
                              gose
                              Veteran Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 3944

                              From ATF (in regards to buying ammo, should be valid for all ammunition that can be used in rifles and handguns even if the example is for 22lr):

                              May a licensee sell interchangeable ammunition such as .22 cal. rimfire to a person less than 21 years old?
                              Yes, provided the buyer is 18 years of age or older, and the dealer is satisfied that it is for use in a rifle. If the ammunition is intended for use in a handgun, the 21 year old minimum age requirement is applicable.
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