Pre-ban Mag Legality question.

[The Cable Guy]

Say someone has legally owned pre-ban standard cap magazines. For this example, lets say they have one standard 12 round magazine, and the other magazine is a standard 12rd, plus a +2 extension, bringing it to 14 rounds.

Will the owner of the mags be able to go from 12 +2 to 14?

Will the owner of the mags be able to go from 14 -2 to 12?

Will the owner of the mags be able to go from 14 -2 to 12, then back to 14 as needed?

[freonr22]

imho anything over 10 is the same, 11,17,36 etc

[Sam]

From what I understand, a "high capacity" mag is a "high capacity" mag.

[The Cable Guy]

Interesting, I've always wondered this. I figured the CA DOJ would create some nonsense law that would restrict capacity if it was altered from original configuration. I guess not.

[leelaw]

If the magazine is high capacity, there is no restriction from making it a higher capacity or lesser capacity magazine.

[Librarian]

But...

Point of order: "pre-ban" has no meaning, because large-capacity magazines are not banned.

Heroin is banned. Outside of LEO (evidence) and some scientific situations, possession of heroin is illegal.

Not so for large-capacity magazines.

So, let's try to extinguish the usage of 'ban' in the context of large-capacity magazines.

[The Cable Guy]

But...

Point of order: "pre-ban" has no meaning, because large-capacity magazines are not banned.

Heroin is banned. Outside of LEO (evidence) and some scientific situations, possession of heroin is illegal.

Not so for large-capacity magazines.

So, let's try to extinguish the usage of 'ban' in the context of large-capacity magazines.

Well, was there not legislation passed prohibiting (banning) the sale, importation, manufacture, giving or lending of such magazines?

So isn't in a sense a ban, although not banning the possession of?

[cmichini]

I think the Librarian's point is it is not the magazine itself that is pre-ban but is whether you possessed it pre-ban (good) or if it came into your possession post-ban ('evil')

[professorhard]

No regulations against alteration of capacity of legally possessed large capacity ammunition feeding devices in the state of CA.

[The Cable Guy]

I think the Librarian's point is it is not the magazine itself that is pre-ban but is whether you possessed it pre-ban (good) or if it came into your possession post-ban ('evil')

Right. However, couldn't the term "pre-ban magazine" also refer to possession of the magazine before such "ban" ?

Not trying to argue, just trying to understand. CA Legislation needs to be taken under a microscope to figure out.

[Noah3683]

I don't want to thread jack, but I also don't want to waste time/space posting a new thread. I originally bought a glock back in 1999. something about being 21 and able to. Well I had 6 mags and I had to sell the gun shortly after. I still have 4 of those mags... which was part of the reasoning behind me buying a glock 23 now. I know the legality of owning them, but how much would I actually be harassed if using them (blm), and if used in a home defense situation am I likely looking at compounded problems? I know there are local leo that figure possession and use of high caps as a felony regardless of situation. Thanks

[GearHead]

I don't want to thread jack, but I also don't want to waste time/space posting a new thread. I originally bought a glock back in 1999. something about being 21 and able to. Well I had 6 mags and I had to sell the gun shortly after. I still have 4 of those mags... which was part of the reasoning behind me buying a glock 23 now. I know the legality of owning them, but how much would I actually be harassed if using them (blm), and if used in a home defense situation am I likely looking at compounded problems? I know there are local leo that figure possession and use of high caps as a felony regardless of situation. Thanks

Use them to your heart's content. If a LEO gives you crap, say nothing. Easy as that. They have to PROVE that you mfg'd them, imported them or somehow came into their possession illegally. Since you didn't, that's gonna be pretty dang hard.

[Crom]

Use them to your heart's content. If a LEO gives you crap, say nothing. Easy as that. They have to PROVE that you mfg'd them, imported them or somehow came into their possession illegally. Since you didn't, that's gonna be pretty dang hard.

This is my understanding as well.

[bigcalidave]

Everytime I see a thread like this I toss in this, there are MILLIONS of high cap mags in CA. If you are worried about using them, you don't go shooting enough. In the rest of the country, there are HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of high cap mags. The law is a farce, enforcement is nearly impossible, and some time soon it will all go away.

[Librarian]

Well, was there not legislation passed prohibiting (banning) the sale, importation, manufacture, giving or lending of such magazines?

So isn't in a sense a ban, although not banning the possession of?

There is such a law, and it is not a ban on magazines; therefore, there cannot be pre-ban magazines, only pre-ban-magazine-transfers.

As I said, heroin is an example of a thing that is actually banned - it is generally illegal to buy, sell, use, possess or be addicted to heroin.