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  • ak4777
    Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 194

    Rounds Jammed into Casing

    Are rounds a little deeply jammed into the casing unsafe to fire? Some of my 45's are like this. Like about 3-4 mm deep.
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    M. D. Van Norman
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2002
    • 4168

    Yes, they are unsafe.
    Matthew D. Van Norman
    Dancing Giant Sales | Licensed Firearms Dealer | Rainier, WA

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    • #3
      j1133s
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2007
      • 1343

      Originally posted by M. D. Van Norman
      Yes, they are unsafe.
      +1. Creates excessive pressure which may lead to case failure.

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      • #4
        advocatusdiaboli
        Calguns Addict
        • Sep 2009
        • 5521

        A bullet that is too deeply seated will cause increased pressure on the casing when fired and you could get a rupture. I would either reload those or dispose of them. Do not fire them.

        Sorry for the dupe, didn't reload the page before posting and didn't see the above post.
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        • #5
          DannyZRC
          Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 465

          the term for this phenomena is "bullet setback"

          googling for that term should tell you all you would ever want to know.

          hope this helps!

          (and +1 to the other responses, firing your rounds as described is not a safe choice)
          The Range is a place where you carry a gun around and spend most of your time shooting it.
          The Real World is a place where you carry a gun around and spend most of your time not shooting it.
          Plan Accordingly.

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          • #6
            Chief-7700
            Veteran Member
            • May 2008
            • 3382

            Originally posted by ak4777
            Are rounds a little deeply jammed into the casing unsafe to fire? Some of my 45's are like this. Like about 3-4 mm deep.
            Are the round in question factor loads or reloads?
            Sounds like they were not tapered crimped to the right specification.

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            • #7
              ak4777
              Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 194

              they are factory loaded. i kind of dropped them on their face a little. only seated like 2 mm or so. but yeah ill just toss em. not even a dollar anyway. they are blazer aluminum too.

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              • #8
                stix213
                AKA: Joe Censored
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Apr 2009
                • 18998

                Supposedly they can go BOOM.... in a bad way

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                • #9
                  stphnman20
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 6583

                  Yea! BAD!!

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                  • #10
                    bohoki
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 20825

                    i would use a kinetic bullet puller to knock them back to a good oal and load them by hand into the chamber

                    if you ever find 45 brass with the line on the case or the little knurling about haldway down that was intended to prevent that and i think it is present on most military 45

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                    • #11
                      Turbinator
                      Administrator
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 11934

                      Given that they are aluminum cased, I wouldn't bother trying to salvage them.

                      Turby

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                      • #12
                        ak4777
                        Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 194

                        Okay well...the results are in. Too curious for my own good. I checked some specs, Blazer is one of the lighter loaded ones, hence their lower muzzle velocity. So...despite the weaker aluminum casing, I fired the two rounds...and...flawless! It didn't seem to do anything. I personally think its fine because sometimes remington gives some of their rounds slightly pushed in too and they fire fine as well. I think as long as the bullet is still seated straight up, it should be okay...as long as they are not +P+ high velocity loads etc. I know its dangerous...sorry...but...I read some other stuff...yes its a present danger, but i feel its not a huge risk...although its not one ill probably take again. I didnt shoot those looking down the sight tho lol.

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                        • #13
                          Günter
                          Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 283

                          Once I fired some old crappy surplus Turkish ammo off my Mauser rifle. Some cartridges had some bullets that were setback. It fired, the cartridge ruptured inside the chamber causing a jam, when it was finally cleared the rotary extractor collar was broken causing a failiure to extract. Lesson learned: inspect all ammo carefully.

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                          • #14
                            Turbinator
                            Administrator
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 11934

                            Originally posted by ak4777
                            Okay well...the results are in. Too curious for my own good. I checked some specs, Blazer is one of the lighter loaded ones, hence their lower muzzle velocity. So...despite the weaker aluminum casing, I fired the two rounds...and...flawless! It didn't seem to do anything. I personally think its fine because sometimes remington gives some of their rounds slightly pushed in too and they fire fine as well. I think as long as the bullet is still seated straight up, it should be okay...as long as they are not +P+ high velocity loads etc. I know its dangerous...sorry...but...I read some other stuff...yes its a present danger, but i feel its not a huge risk...although its not one ill probably take again. I didnt shoot those looking down the sight tho lol.
                            Ok, you're nuts. I think you really should toss 'em.

                            Turby

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                            • #15
                              j1133s
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 1343

                              Originally posted by ak4777
                              Okay well...the results are in. Too curious for my own good. I checked some specs, Blazer is one of the lighter loaded ones, hence their lower muzzle velocity. So...despite the weaker aluminum casing, I fired the two rounds...and...flawless! It didn't seem to do anything. I personally think its fine because sometimes remington gives some of their rounds slightly pushed in too and they fire fine as well. I think as long as the bullet is still seated straight up, it should be okay...as long as they are not +P+ high velocity loads etc. I know its dangerous...sorry...but...I read some other stuff...yes its a present danger, but i feel its not a huge risk...although its not one ill probably take again. I didnt shoot those looking down the sight tho lol.
                              I'm glad to hear they all shot well. I use 9mm Blazer AL ammo a lot, and I've found them to be pretty well made.

                              With firearms, I'd recommend taking a more conservative approach. For example, I see you've taken some precaution regarding your eyes, but a case failure can also mess up your shooting hand.

                              But I like how things turned out.

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