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[Josh]

this occurs with most firearms as its to prevent firing out of battery.

Some pistols such as the XD has a guard that trys to prevent this.

Of course you could always pull back from whatever is pressing into the pistol so its in full battery and fire.

[69Mach1]

Pull back, shoot hand.

[slick_711]

Multiple solutions to such a theoretical problem come to mind.

A) We'll call this one the "pistol whip" for lack of a better name.

B) The "he's reaching for my gun oh **** shoot his hand" technique.

C) The simplest but least fun tactic, don't get too close to the perp in the first place.

I'd say a 4-5" buffer zone would suffice until you have compliance and or backup.

I've never heard of anyone having such an issue with the Beretta but it's entirely possible. I did read an account once of John Dillinger trying to shoot a young man in the stomach during a bank robbery, but he had jammed his colt into the guy's stomach so hard he knocked it out of battery. He supposedly figured the kid was lucky and left him be to make his getaway. In a real combat situation if someone reached for my gun I'd shoot and or hit them. For an LEO in such a situation, I'd imagine they wouldn't get that close in the first place? I'm sure someone will chime in. The whole "hands on your head, turn around, on your knees" thing seems to negate the chance of the perp reaching for your pistol.

[leelaw]

I thought this was going to be "I saw that in Lethal Weapon someone can one handedly remove the slide and you'll be really screwed then!"

[jdberger]

You can never push a revolver out of battery!

For all else, you need this bad boy



I was actually looking for a pic of the GG&G Alternative Force Block which has a wicked looking serrated plate in front of the muzzle that keeps the gun from going out of battery, but I couldn't find one....

The catalog description is here

The Alternative Force Block (AFB), developed by former US Navy SEAL, Chris Caracci, with considerable input from GG&G, was designed to prevent your opponent from driving the slide of your pistol rearward and rendering it inoperable and also to provide an alternative to deadly force in Close Quarters Battle (CQB) environments without relinquishing the potential for lethality. Consisting of two principal components manufactured from 4140 steel, the reinforced front shield is checkered with a sharp 15-teeth-per-inch pattern. Resting directly in front of the barrel, bushing and slide, this piece both prevents the slide from being pushed out of battery and provides the operator with a considerable amount of non-lethal impact force to apply if needed. This front shield is attached to a retaining plate, which is mounted to the front, underside of the frame with three socket head screws. The front shield is secured to the retaining plate by three TORX T10 panhead screws. A TORX T10 screwdriver is supplied, as the front shield must be removed for disassembly of the pistol. The retaining plate stays in place at all times. The Alternative Force Block adds 3.5 ounces to the weight of the pistol. The Alternative Force Block is an innovative piece of equipment superbly executed and those who anticipate finding themselves in CQB environments will find it to be a valuable ancillary to their handguns. The AFB is now available with a rail that will accommodate the installation of the M3 Tactical Illuminator.

[leelaw]

You can never push a revolver out of battery!

For all else, you need this bad boy

http://www.urbanadvantage.net/images/1911-strike-plate.jpg

I was actually looking for a pic of the GG&G Alternative Force Block which has a wicked looking serrated plate in front of the muzzle that keeps the gun from going out of battery, but I couldn't find one....

The catalog description is here

Why do that when you can...

[slick_711]

I thought this was going to be "I saw that in Lethal Weapon someone can one handedly remove the slide and you'll be really screwed then!"

I'm actually fairly good at doing that, never timed it, but probably .2-.3 seconds? That doesn't change the fact however, that if you tried to do that to anyone competent they'd just pull the trigger and blow your wrist to hell, probably leaving you to bleed to death if you didn't receive immediate medical attention. I've had various people express that concern as a reason not to buy a Beretta, its ridiculous.

[jdberger]

Better

[SnWnMe]

God I hate the word "operator".

[shonc99]

If someone has somehow gotten close enough to put their hand on top of your pistol, you should just hand it on over for being a dum@$$.

Seriously, if your hands are extended in a stance, step back. If they were reaching and stepping for it, move the pistol out of the way. But, this is more for a surprise type of attack where the person wasn't considered a threat. But then again, everyone is a possible threat if there is a reason your pistol is out. YRMV

[CalNRA]

Why do that when you can...

LOL that thing is sweet. Good luck finding a holster for that bad boy though. And we though lights were gonna be a problem for holstering....

Better keep this quiet or else our friend at the DOJ will try to amend this as another feature of an AW.

[leelaw]

LOL that thing is sweet. Good luck finding a holster for that bad boy though. And we though lights were gonna be a problem for holstering....

Better keep this quiet or else our friend at the DOJ will try to amend this as another feature of an AW.

Yeah, you've got to really wonder what the heck the politicians are thinking when a knife on a handgun is legal, but a tiny threaded nubbin on a barrel is a felony.

[Cpl_Peters]

most handguns do this to avoid a potential kB! if fired out of battery. A good pistol should never click when out of battery IMHO