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  • #16
    1JimMarch
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 1803

    Folks,

    At 12 pages worth of PDF file, the "revolver checkout" just got a major update. There's pictures. There's side-notes on everything from special needs for black powder, reloading tool compatibility, make and model-specific data, and at the end a one-page outline of what kind of recoil and ammo performance you should expect with various weight classes of 38Spl and 357 guns.

    There's special notes scattered throughout on various gun types, everything from the Colt Walker to breakopens to aluminum-frame snubbies.

    There's...a lot . Page 12 is a one-page re-hash of the whole checkout procedure as quick bullet points to take with you to a gun show, gun shop, post-apocalyptic back alley or whatever . Despite this "short form" I recommend reading the whole thing once, to get the various theories and advanced notes down before going shopping.

    It's too big for an attachment so I have it at google docs where it can be viewed without a PDF reader if needed:



    NOTE: you can download it locally - look for the "file" menu, top-left corner area below the color google logo. This is also where you can print it cleanly.

    And yes, I promise, there'll be an update in 2021 . With any luck, there'll be a special section on magazine-fed gas-eject single action revolvers that I got rich off of inventing .

    (Or not.)

    A quick moment: if you’ve found this guide useful, please consider chipping in $20 or less – not for me, but to fund a really important election-related lawsuit in Arizona that has national implications. See also:
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    ADMINS: can we move this post to the top?

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    • #17
      Tanner68
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 2147

      Was looking at some revolvers at MBR today, and thought I needed to review this post. And now I find that 12 page PDF. Awesome! Thanks Jim.

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      • #18
        samspade77
        Banned
        • Aug 2010
        • 212

        Better late than never...for me reading it anyways. I am in the market for a revolver and this has definitely educated me. Thank you very much!

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        • #19
          BayouBullets
          Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 275

          Cool Post! I've always checked gap, but never really thought about the tuning aspect. I always just wanted to know if the gap was less than .006 with judgement favoring the idea of the lower the better until .002 gap. Never gave it a thought other than that. Now that you mention it though, A lot of the really tight gap tolerance guns I've seen also seemed to have well above average slick triggers. i always just attributed it to the factory "luckout" and the trigger being really well broken in.
          9mm and 45acp are equally lousy. There's not a dime's worth of difference in REAL terminal ballistics. Get over it.

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          • #20
            1JimMarch
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2008
            • 1803

            Yeah, what you sometimes see looking like "just another old gun" on the dealer's shelf is actually somebody's former pride and joy. Maybe a dead somebody, widow sold it not having clue one it was worked over by a top gunsmith. There's way more critters like this floating around than you can imagine.

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            • #21
              PoorMan
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 793

              This is excellent. Particularly for a newb in the market for a revolver like myself.

              Thanks for sharing!

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              • #22
                PoorMan
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2011
                • 793

                Originally posted by QuarterBoreGunner

                Cylinder gap Still holding the trigger at full lockup, look sideways through the barrel/cylinder gap. If you can get a credit card in there, that ain't good...velocity drops rapidly as the gap increases.
                I wanted to check my GP100. I haven't done the full lockup thing yet, but I sure hope that changes things because right now I can get 2 credit cards in the gap!
                Last edited by PoorMan; 09-13-2011, 8:05 PM.

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                • #23
                  1JimMarch
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 1803

                  I wanted to check my GP100. I haven't done the full lockup thing yet, but I sure hope that changes things because right now I can get 2 credit cards in the gap!
                  It *might* change things. It does on some guns, not on others. Rather than spend pages and weeks of research figuring out which are which, I went with "do the full lockup thing" . Sorry, but it was the practical answer. As best I could, I wanted one procedure that would work on anything from an 1836 Paterson Colt forward (NOT that you'd do it on a genuine antique Paterson(!) but Uberti has made replicas...).

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                  • #24
                    hummerdad
                    Junior Member
                    • Oct 2011
                    • 18

                    Very, very, helpful! The post with the 12 page reference should be at the top. Thanks!
                    Who is John Galt?

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                    • #25
                      RJ7
                      Junior Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 69

                      Well I guess better late than never to the party . Thanks for some great info , My father-in-law has an old service revolver I want to check out and see what kind of shape it's in .....

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                      • #26
                        CharlesV
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 733

                        Jim, since youre trying to raise some cash, why not offer a check-out clinic 3-4 times a year? Ive read and enjoyed the "12" but still some things im not familiar with, or lets say have the right experience/feel for to really know if a weapon is Ok or not. Id pay for your on the spot check-out, wouldnt others, too?
                        Slim River Carry Slings for Henry AR-7

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                        • #27
                          1JimMarch
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 1803

                          Huh. Well one option would be to schedule a mini-class at one of the big AZ gun shows - towards the beginning .

                          Not a half bad idea, that...

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                          • #28
                            Flyin Brian
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 3395

                            I'm looking at an early Python right now that has very little cylinder gap, actually there are light rub marks on the front of the cylinder where the forcing cone is making contact or has in the past. All of the other checks come out great... is this a major issue or not?
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                            I collect Military Arms and enjoy shooting in local matches. I also collect older Lever Actions, especially those chambered in odd/old cartridges. If you have a nice old Winchester or Marlin in 25-20, 32-40, 38-55, 40-60, 45-70, etc etc, please PM me and we can work out a deal.

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                            I wasn't kidding when I said this would all be over by Xmas... Stay tuned for good news next week.

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                            • #29
                              ShootinMedic
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 826

                              Great read! Thanks Jim March for sharing your insight and knowledge. I'm keeping my eyes open for my next revolver and this will be invaluable.


                              ETA: Thanks QuarterBoreGunner for sharing it too. :-)
                              Originally posted by Untamed1972
                              ... the POV of courts and legislators needs to be....if an item can have a lawful purpose then you can't criminalize the item, you can only criminalize unlawful acts committed with that lawful item.

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                              • #30
                                Zorgnot
                                Member
                                • Feb 2012
                                • 488

                                Thanks

                                Thanks a lot for posting this. I just went through your check list with my Python I bought used about 4 years ago. At the time the gun seemed clean and 600 bucks was too good to pass up. Your write up confirmed I got a good deal.

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