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  • macdarren
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 27

    Need some 1911 advice....

    I'm in the market for a 9mm 1911...I have two potential candidates and need some help deciding.... First I am a bit new to the 1911, and I am looking for a gun that I can build up over time but expect to do some basic work right up front...

    The two guns of interest are both Springfields both are 9mm supposedly Loaded models in Stainless. Both with NM serial numbers. Both seem tight.

    Gun A is a brand new loaded model, Gun B is an older gun with unknown number of rounds through it but it looks to be well maintained. I notice a couple of differences, first the grips are slightly different in that Gun B has no Logo on the grip it, both appear to be hardwood however. Gun B has a few minor scuffs but nothing major. Gun B has the harder trigger pull even though it is clearly 'broken-in'. The big difference I see is the barrel and ramps. Gun A has a stainless looking barrel that is not tapered and is a ramped barrel which I presume means the frame has been relieved by the factory. Gun B has a tapered barrel which is black in color. It is not a ramped barrel and clearly has a ramp on the frame. The owner assures me this is the original barrel. I do not know if or when SA changed to the ramped barrel or maybe this gun isn't the loaded model even if it appears to be very similar. Sights on both guns appear the same.

    I expect to do a trigger and action job on either gun right off. Maybe change out some of the small parts if they are not high quality. I will eventually do some custom appearance work so the minor scuffing is probably not a problem. The price difference is about 20% call it $200. I don't know if one or the other is the better gun to start from...of course with Gun B I save 200 I can put toward upgrades on the other hand if it needs a barrel or some more extensive work that the new gun would not then $200 doesn't go very far. New is always nice and I am not sure how the SA warranty works on used guns not that I expect to use the warranty.

    I could wait some more maybe something better will come along but 9mm 1911s for sale in CA seem to be a bit rare, and of the new legal CA guns the springfield seems to be the one I prefer over Para, and Kimber.

    Any thoughts on the matter? Anyone know if/when SA changed things? Given a choice ramped or no ramp barrel? I kinda lean toward the ramped barrel.

    TIA
  • #2
    Synergy
    I need a LIFE!!
    • May 2008
    • 14303

    Any reason besides price of ammo that you want a 9mm over .45acp?
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    • #3
      PutTogether
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 2370

      I would always lean away from the ramped barrel - they just seem strange. BUT I only have .45s and ZERO experience in 9mm 1911s, so maybe a non ramped barrel is the strange one. That aside, lets go through the things you mentioned:

      Grips: Who cares? Grips are cheap and you'll probabably change them anyway. Don't let them be a factor in your decision at all.

      Scuffs: Depends on what you mean by nothing major, but I guess it isn't a big deal. Guns are going to get scuffs anyway, so a buying one with a few already on it isn't a big deal as long as they aren't bad.

      Trigger: Even if you are going to change stuff as time and funds allow, why would you not want as nice a trigger as possible up front?

      Barrel: Aside from the ramped/non ramped - even if you are going to change in the future - doesn't a stainless barrel seem like it makes a lot more sense as far as finish and holding up over time?

      Cost difference: $200. Relative, no way to quantify what $200 means to you, but for ME I'd rather have the new gun. I'm not against buying used guns, but that little of a difference, combined with a better trigger pull, the new gun seems like the no brainer.

      Warranty: Springfield is supposed to have one of the best warranties and customer service reputations in the business. EVERYONE seems to say this.


      All considered (including the fact that I know exactly zero about 1911s that ARENT .45s,) I say the new gun is the way to go.


      (actually I say get a .45, but barring that, go for the new one)
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      • #4
        ChrisTKHarris
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2009
        • 4203

        A 1911 in 9mm is blasphemous.
        Don't let the name fool you...

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        • #5
          Black Majik
          Calguns Addict
          • Oct 2005
          • 9695

          Originally posted by ChrisTKHarris
          A 1911 in 9mm is blasphemous.
          It is actually quite enjoyable.

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          • #6
            ChrisTKHarris
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 4203

            Originally posted by Black Majik
            It is actually quite enjoyable.
            Yeah I'll bet, but still I feel like it's just wrong.
            Don't let the name fool you...

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            • #7
              russ69
              Calguns Addict
              • Nov 2009
              • 9348

              The Commander was designed in 9mm, that's good enough for me!

              Thanx, Russ
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              • #8
                Black Majik
                Calguns Addict
                • Oct 2005
                • 9695

                Originally posted by russ69
                The Commander was designed in 9mm, that's good enough for me!

                Thanx, Russ
                I have one of those too. It's fantastic!

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                • #9
                  icedevil
                  Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 457

                  I have heard anecdotally that the ramped barrels improve reliability in the 9mm 1911s. I've never actually shot one myself so take that for what its worth but I wonder if this is why the later Springfield 9's incorporate the ramped barrel.

                  Put me on the list of people who think a 9mm 1911 is a great idea. Cheap ammo and very little muzzle rise (particularly out of an all steel full size 1911) combined with the potential for a nice single action trigger pull put it high on my list for my next idpa gun.

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                  • #10
                    macdarren
                    Junior Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 27

                    Icedevil hits it with why I want to own a 9mm 1911. The barrel thing is probably the deciding factor I guess. The trigger pulls I imagine will end up similar as soon as I get the action and trigger job done which I plan to do the day CA releases it...(I had hoped to get it done over the wait but FFL says the Frame has to stay locked up so I guess I wait)

                    Thanks for the advice, anyone else wanting to chime in is welcome...

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                    • #11
                      77bawls
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1457

                      Originally posted by PutTogether

                      Trigger: Even if you are going to change stuff as time and funds allow, why would you not want as nice a trigger as possible up front?
                      The trigger pull is easily adjusted. Granted it's not a full trigger job but you can adjust the pull to your liking just by adjusting the finger spring.
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                      • #12
                        plankowner
                        Senior Member
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 739

                        what is NM serial numbers ? I have a milspec with NM but don't know what that is (sorry didn't mean to jack your thread just curious)

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                        • #13
                          CD MCKINNEY
                          Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 101

                          Here is a really nice, customized G.I. model I'll give you a good deal on....

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                          • #14
                            Black Majik
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 9695

                            Originally posted by CD MCKINNEY
                            Here is a really nice, customized G.I. model I'll give you a good deal on....
                            This ain't the classifieds dude..

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                            • #15
                              civilsnake
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 2261

                              Originally posted by plankowner
                              what is NM serial numbers ? I have a milspec with NM but don't know what that is (sorry didn't mean to jack your thread just curious)
                              "NM" means that most of the finishing was done in the United States. If less than 50% of the work was done in the US, it will have an "N" prefix and "Made in Brazil" (or something similar) somewhere on it. From what I can tell, the quality is the same between the Ns and NMs for milspecs.
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