45 ACP Shotshells

[dfletcher]

I have a Bond Derringer in 45 ACP - 3" barrel, the thing is built like a tank. For no particular reason I'd like to make some shotsells for the thing and I've read that some folks have made them from a trimmed down 30.06 case. Has anyone done this and if so how?

I know the basics, but powder, shot size and how the load is set up with powder, wad and how to crimp is something I don't know. Also, sizing the part of the case that will extend into the rifling - use a 44 mag sizer to make it smaller diameter?

Again, no particular reason and I don't want to buy ready made ACP shot shells.

[Blademan21]

Much easier to just buy the CCI .45 shot rounds. May have to look real hard for them. If you must load them,RCBS makes the die set. They can be made from 7.62x51 or .308 brass but are a pain. Good luck.

[M47_Dragon]

I've seen those Speer empty shot capsules for .45LC (the clear blue plastic "cups") -- Would those work in .45ACP brass?

If so, you could buy a bag of shot and be good to go. Be prepared to crack a few capsules getting the crimp die set.



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Are you trying to come up with something new and not trying to roll your own CCI clones?

[dfletcher]

I didn't explain very well, I think. I wouldn't trim the 30.06 down to 45 ACP length, probably just down to the shoulder and have plenty of room for shot. I guess I could use the LC plastic, don't know how long it is though.

Basically trying to get as close to 410 as possible.

[Blademan21]

OK, overall length for the .45acp is 1.275,for handball. Case length alone is .898.
.45LC overall length is 1.600. Case lenght alone is 1.285. If your Bond is a .45acp only, I don't believe one can go much longer than the .45LC. Your length and load data will determine if it will work safely. I think you should Google the subject and see what comes up. I may be wrong in my SWAG theory. Good luck.

[Blademan21]

I didn't explain very well, I think. I wouldn't trim the 30.06 down to 45 ACP length, probably just down to the shoulder and have plenty of room for shot. I guess I could use the LC plastic, don't know how long it is though.

Basically trying to get as close to 410 as possible.

I re-read this and had to reply. The 30.06 length from base to shoulder is 1.948. Base diamater is .473. The base for the .45acp is at .480,so the 06 base is very close,but if you trim the 06 case as stated,you are still be .673 too long. Compared to the case length of the .45acp. Thats a little over 1/2".
I don't know bro,better get your dial calipers out.

[J-cat]

Maybe he's thinking of swaging the '06 case down so the shot column part fits in the bore of the 45 ACP and the rest of the case in the chamber... something like a .440" diameter 2" long round with a .470" base and a .880" body length.

[Blademan21]

Maybe he's thinking of swaging the '06 case down so the shot column part fits in the bore of the 45 ACP and the rest of the case in the chamber... something like a .440" diameter 2" long round with a .470" base and a .880" body length.

I see what you mean. Makes sence as its a Bond and not a revolver. I wish him luck and hope he posts the wildcat round

[rabagley]

If you want to roll your own, you want to use the RCBS dies for making .45 ACP shotshells, but start with 45 Win Mag brass instead of cutting down .308 brass.

Here's my post in an older thread on this subject including photos of someone else's results: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...6&postcount=26

[luckystrike]

sounds like your going to always have a few rounds after the apocalypse:]
seriously tho nice way to improvise

[dfletcher]

Maybe he's thinking of swaging the '06 case down so the shot column part fits in the bore of the 45 ACP and the rest of the case in the chamber... something like a .440" diameter 2" long round with a .470" base and a .880" body length.

Exactly - maybe I'll do some sort of "ball & shot" and instead of crimping over a wad I'll crimp over a round ball.

The case body from "chamber forward" will be sized down with the 44 mag die, hoping that will leave a shoulder for the round to headspace and ensure proper ignition - after firing the shoulder should form properly. Of course there's a chance the case will fire form into the lands & grooves and make extraction a pain too.

[dfletcher]

If you want to roll your own, you want to use the RCBS dies for making .45 ACP shotshells, but start with 45 Win Mag brass instead of cutting down .308 brass.

Here's my post in an older thread on this subject including photos of someone else's results: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...6&postcount=26

Good idea, gave me another thought. The Win Mag case is about 30mm long and the 308 is about 39mm long at the shoulder, 30.06 about 48 mm at the shoulder. I suppose instead of cutting down & crimping the 308/30.06 I could use a Speer shotshell cap to gain extra space and minimize the brass case running over too much into the lands & grooves where extraction might be difficult.

I'm figuring that whatever powder charge I use will be determined by the weight of the shot.