In Glock we trust?

[windrunner]

I disagree a bit about the "safest ever" comments elsewhere in your post, but it's nice to see someone else offer the type of comments I quoted here. I've been harping on this for years amongst my gun buddies. The scenario(s) determines tactics, which in turn determines choice of equipment. Glocks are ideal weapons of war, but not necessarily "perfection" for other types of scenarios. I hope you don't mind me stealing your "discriminatory fire" verbage, as I think it describes the difference quite well.

I don't mind at all.

I understand your point about my "safest" comment. Maybe I should clarify by saying safest minus the negligence of the user. Hell, no gun is safe in the hands of negligent users.

[Juice5610]

1911 45 acp ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[windrunner]

Both the 1911 and Beretta have moving barrels, same as a Glock.

No, actually they don't. They sit stationary when you fire the weapon.

By moving I'm not referring to the fact that you can remove the barrel when you dismantle the gun by the way.

[windrunner]

what do you have to say about the mark 23? id like to hear your argument

Take a good look at the MK23 and tell me what it is the USSOCOM version of.

[Dirtbiker]

I'm pretty sure the Beretta has a tilting barrel then locks upon the pistol returning to battery.

This was a John Browning invention correct?

[gordyboard02]

What constitutes a parabellum firearm is not that it simply can fire a projectile and kill someone. It has to meet certain requirements, certain standards. There is a reason why something is mil spec'd or military standard.

So the 1911 which became the US Military standard in 1911 doesn't count? its only design was to replace the revolvers that were standard issue at the time. Those revolvers were developed by a need on the battle field for a short range defense when a long gun or single-shot pistol would either take to long to reload or was no longer appropriate for the situation. The evolution of the combat pistol has been going on for centuries and that is even seen in the glock line with the various "generations".

[walter]

I'm pretty sure the Beretta has a tilting barrel then locks upon the pistol returning to battery.

well, you're wrong.

as far as style: i guess you can call that irrelevant too. but some of us take consideration into the grip angle, the shape of the grip, how long the barrel is, the balance of the firearm, the magwell if its flared, the rifling in a barrel. you know, the tid bit stuff that you tend to notice over time that makes a difference between a cheap buy and something you will cherish for years.

why the hell does all that matter in a life or death situation. i never heard of rifling in a pistol affecting deadliness of it. or grip, or shape of grip angle. and no, you won't have to aim and hit your target 25 yards away in the heart, most likely they will be standing right in front of you. what you're looking for is a gun you can play with, shoot accurately, look and feel cool with. the glock is a straight up no-frills weapon, it's a TOOL. like I said, there's NOTHING that your usp can do AS A TOOL that a glock can't. PERIOD. actually in this respect, the glock OUTSHINES the USP because it doesn't have the extra hammer and safety switch.

HK's cost more to produce. this increases their sale price. it does not matter if XXX years ago it was the same price as glocks because price and demand both fluctuate. but at the very least, HK's hold their resale value VERY well anyways.

why does HK's cost more to produce? that's DUMB. that's like saying Nike's cost more to produce than Payless shoes because they cost more. NO. that's wrong and you're wrong. the demands for glocks are way higher than USPs and the prices are still relatively low. and the resale value of glocks are the same if not BETTER than USPs. a BNIB USP for 800 might sell 100-rounds-used for 650-700. a BNIB glock for 550 will sell 500-rounds-used for no lower than 450.

[ojisan]

No, actually they don't. They sit stationary when you fire the weapon.

By moving I'm not referring to the fact that you can remove the barrel when you dismantle the gun by the way.

They are not called "tilting barrel" actions for nothing.
The Beretta / Taurus barrel lockup is from the German Walther P38 design.
It uses cam slots in the slide to perform the same action as the Browning swinging link or cam cut designs.

Here's how a 1911 works...notice how the barrel drops down during the firing sequence to allow ejection of the fired case and feeding of the next one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H3IFJXxyEs

[racky]

1911 45 acp ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

+1 ba-gillion!!!!! glock just doesn't fit my hand right

[cindynles]

If you are really worried about the lack of an external saftey you can always spend $15 on one of these:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=17097/Product/SAF_T_BLOK_for_GLOCK_reg_

[ojisan]

The trigger block thing is OK, but you have to go look for it on the ground most times you will use it.

The Caminoli thumb safety is nice but requires the pistol be shipped off for installation.
Also, it is not ambidextrous.

There is another push-sideways-to-fire piece that goes on the trigger safety lever that can be installed at home and looks like a good option.
But, this one requires you to push on the trigger when taking the safety off...some danger here, too.

[BamBam-31]

HK's cost more to produce. this increases their sale price. it does not matter if XXX years ago it was the same price as glocks because price and demand both fluctuate. but at the very least, HK's hold their resale value VERY well anyways.

You may buy your pistols for re-sale value, I buy mine to use. Difference in priorities, I guess.

some of us feel smart enough to handle something thats not "the simplest pistol" out there. personally when i buy an HK, i know i wont have problems justifying keeping it; because its what i wanted. just as you justified buying a glock. but that doesnt give us a license to be ignorant, and judge people based on their opinion, also a simple fact, that not all guns are created equal. some are better in some areas.

Your own insecurities talking. No one called you ignorant or dumb, as you're insinuating about Glock owners. Everyone's obviously free to buy whatever floats their boats. However, what IS ignorant is your statement that somehow the USP is an objectively superior pistol to the Glock and "performs better." It is not and it does not. The USP is no better than the M&P, XD, and Glock. It just costs more.

By all means own your USP with pride. Just don't try convincing more knowledgeable people that it's a "better performing" pistol simply because it cost more. And, yes, I've owned and/or shot them all.

[Ultimate]

pro:
reliable
cheap
great fit and finish
accessories everywhere and cheap
simple
easy to rack slide
low bore axis so easier to shoot
bad *** trigger reset

cons:
can't think of a legitamite one

personal cons:
i hate that damn trigger guard with it was rounded
grip kind big and bulky

thats.... it lol

I can think of one legitimate con.... It is kind of ugly.

[Sublime_AC]

The qualities that make people prefer one handgun over another are mostly subjective. I certainly have my preferences, that is why I own handguns by Sig, H&K, Kimber and Les Baer.. I believe Glocks are a fine weapon and if you prefer it, great, that's what you should own and shoot. The best handgun is one that fits your hand well, that you can comfortably shoot in the worst of conditions and that you know will go bang every time you pull the trigger. I don't know of any major handgun manufacture that produces a weapon I would be concerned about...

Honestly, I would pick a shotgun or a rifle over any of my handguns if I had the choice... As for which of MY guns I prefer over the other, that depends... Which one is closest?

Brand loyalty is so over rated...

[Black Majik]

HK's cost more to produce. this increases their sale price. it does not matter if XXX years ago it was the same price as glocks because price and demand both fluctuate. but at the very least, HK's hold their resale value VERY well anyways.

some of us feel smart enough to handle something thats not "the simplest pistol" out there. personally when i buy an HK, i know i wont have problems justifying keeping it; because its what i wanted. just as you justified buying a glock. but that doesnt give us a license to be ignorant, and judge people based on their opinion, also a simple fact, that not all guns are created equal. some are better in some areas.

I own both Glocks and USPs. I don't have to find a reason to justify keeping my Glocks around, in fact my USPs are usually the safe queens.

I like my USPs though, it's tough to beat the stiff DA, the long trigger reset, the bump in the triggerguard that rubs my finger raw, or the high bore axis.