The approved list beyond 2007

[Kali_M14]

Ok so I want to clarify something, Do all the handguns on the approved list now, have to have a mag disconnect when they renew? or do they continue on as is and only new guns have to have the disconnect?

[Stanze]

Only new semi-auto handguns. What really sucks is that no new GLOCK pistols or 1911 designs can be submitted for testing.

[Guns R Tools]

Isn't there chance of exemption for Glocks when many cops prefer it?

I believe that similar thing happened with Glock before, lacking external safety or something like it.

[Rumpled]

Glocks can stay on the list as long as they pay the fee.

Cops are exempt from the list.

[Stanze]

You have to pull the trigger to disassemble a GLOCK pistol, it's current design would not be able to incorporate a magazine disconnect safety without a major redesign.

[ns3v3n]

damn california laws...

[hw323]

YEP..

I hope at least the HK45 is going to be CA approved as people have claimed. Then at least that's one gun coming out in 2007 that we'll have.

And as for the Glock G21SF (Slim Frame), are we snot-outta-luck for those too for '07?

[glockk9mm]

And as for the Glock G21SF (Slim Frame), are we snot-outta-luck for those too for '07?

I would also like to know this.

[Librarian]

G21 slim, probably not - Stanze has the reason, above, I think.

[Kali_M14]

Many gun makers give the finger to CA and we pay the price. The state loves it, they don't want us to have them anyway.

My sentiments exactly! This is why I wouldn't put it passed them to say that once a gun has to renew in 08 that it must have the mag disconnect and the loaded chamber indicator. I'm not takin my chances, I'm going for broke this year especially with the 1911s

[blkA4alb]

Guys,

As long as the gun does not fall off the list and the fee continues to be paid. The DOJ cannot just say that it needs the disconnect and indicator now.

[Kali_M14]

I looked at the regs and i did not see anything that says "New" handguns it just says starting in january 2007 that the DOJ will test semi-autos after it has acertained that it has both a loaded indicator and mag disconnect is present. Since, they have to renew every year doesn't that mean that all handguns must have it or did I completely miss the part that it said "new" handguns

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/clmodifiedtext0306.pdf

see page 2

[hoffmang]

To pass the test to get on the list a gun must now pass the drop test and have a chamber indicator and a mag disconnect. Renewal handguns do not need to pass the test. Thus older handguns that are on the list remain on the list as long as the manufacturer keeps paying the fee.

-Gene

[Kali_M14]

section 4073 states that the DOJ can radomly retest up to 5% of the handguns that are already on the approved list to ensure that they are compliant with the law. if they excercise this they can either force manufactirers to add the disconnect or have them fall of the list till they do right? I'm not sure that all manufacturers are willing to do this

[Librarian]

section 4073 states that the DOJ can radomly retest up to 5% of the handguns that are already on the approved list to ensure that they are compliant with the law. if they excercise this they can either force manufactirers to add the disconnect or have them fall of the list till they do right? I'm not sure that all manufacturers are willing to do this

If the retested examples fail, they fall off the list. If they fall off the list, in order to get back on the list the gun would have to have the mag disconnect and the loaded-chamber indicator. If the gun passes, it stays on the list, subject to the requirements in force when it passed the testing the first time.

When the manufacturers pay the annual fee the guns are NOT retested, and therefore are not subject to the md and lci requirements - the requirement is on the testing labs to accept only those weapons with the required features.

Of course, the legislature could change the law...