LEO handguns

[Skandy714]

Hi, I did a google search but didnt find anything..maybe I typed in the wrong keywords. I was wondering why are some handgun restricted for police officers only. Is it the magazine capacity? Thanks!

[RolinThundr]

I believe that it has to do with the handguns not being on the Roster. Only LEOs can purchase handguns that are not on the CA Roster. Many of the guns on the Roster are sold with hi-cap mags outside of CA, so mag capacity has nothing to do with it.

[savasyn]

Probably what you are referring to is the roster of "safe" handguns. We can only buy things on the list, LEOs can buy anything they want.

[ke6guj]

There is a Roster of not unsafe handguns that a handgun must be on in order to be sold in CA. There are some exemptions to the roster, and LEOs are exempt from the roster. So, those non-Rostered handguns are restricted to police only. It does not have to with magazine capacity.

[Skandy714]

Oh ok. What makes a gun unsafe then? Sorry Ima newb haha.

[gunrun45]

They are determined insafe by the politics of California.

Example: The new springfield XDM is no more safe or unsafe than its cousin model the XD. Some guns are excluded from the list just because of finish type, sights, barrel length of other trivial details. It is politics at its worst IMO. Those that paid the fees to have the guns certified are allowed to sell them. Because the rules have arbitrarily changed since certification began, the criteria for making the list have negated some newer models from being added even though they have "kissin cousins" already listed.

[ke6guj]

Oh ok. What makes a gun unsafe then? Sorry Ima newb haha.

ALL handguns are considered unsafe unless they have the required "safety" devices and pass the drop tests. At that point, CADOJ will add them to the Roster of handguns that have been determined not to be unsafe handguns.

[CHS]

Oh ok. What makes a gun unsafe then?

The fact that only police officers are allowed to buy them is what makes them unsafe

[Vacaville]

Seems like no one should be carrying them if they are "unsafe".

Maybe a good basis for a lawsuit if an LEO shoots someone with one.

[Cougar]

ALL handguns are considered unsafe unless they have the required "safety" devices and pass the drop tests. At that point, CADOJ will add them to the Roster of handguns that have been determined not to be unsafe handguns.

True, but this is missing some vitally important pieces of the puzzle.

If you are the manufacturer of the product, then your product is guilty until you pay (read time, energy and money) to prove its innocence.

You the manufacturer must provide (at your cost) the product to be evaluated, pay for the evaluation, pay for the initial filing fees and pay for renewals to be included in the list.


Personally, I do not believe for a moment that the primary goals of scheme have anything at all to do with product safety, but rather it is a scheme to produce revenue for the bureaucracy, perpetuate the bureaucracy and to foist actual costs and very significant compliance costs upon and thereby do economic damage to and discourage manufacturers and legitimate purchasers.


Por Ejemplo (for example), KelTec. They have no product on the 'approved list'. Perhaps some of their product does not have the necessary features, but I suspect that they just do not want to blow the time, money and resources to play the game and then be forced to pass those costs on to their customers.



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[Skandy714]

I guess that sums up everything, thanks for the quick response I appreciate it guys.

[Lead Lobber]

In California, unsafe hand guns (or long guns) are defined as any weapon that are not allowed to defend citizens.

This is you, stupid. Why am I calling you stupid? Because you are bending over and allowing government types to shape your right to design your orifice.

[Skandy714]

design my orifice?..a passage way in my body?

yea well i guess were all stupid.