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  • D.R.E.
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 891

    Forensic photos: very nice 2.5 carry python (*LARGE PICS*)

    It's been a while since I opened a python side plate, which at my age means I'm just about to forget everything. So, to counter that my dad and I went through a 2.5 ported python has that someone went through some trouble for to make into a very (very) nice carry gun with a great trigger and excellent porting.

    Here's what we have to work with:




    As you can see, it has an interesting matte silver finish which I am guessing is "armalloy". It's very tough, easy to clean.

    He has a pair of Harret grips on it that he likes. (The roughness of them tears up my hands after a few hundred rounds.) Removing the grips, you can see the INS (inspection) stamp which they did in the early days.


    Here's the porting; as you can see, I didn't clean it after the range, and a bunch of lead got shot out of it:


    This porting is great: the barrel barely moves and recoil is tamed, even with hot 357 loads. I've been told that such elongated ports were done w/ an EDM machine. They have them on ebay for a few thousand or less...

    For anyone thinking about porting theory, here's the approximate angle they used:


    Finally, here's the internals. A bit hard to tell, but they plated just about *everything* (pop quiz to be answered in a couple of screens: if you want to protect against lawsuits, what wouldn't you plate?)



    Now, why is the action so good? I kept claiming it was likely the standard reason and, fortunately for my street cred with dad, this was indeed the case. You can just make out the Tedford-style curved sear on the trigger:


    As we all know now that is the standard way to remove stacking in a colt by making the pressure more uniform as you pull the trigger.
    http://coltpython.blogspot.com/
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    D.R.E.
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 891

    So, cool, we're now in a rush to get to the trigger. As part of this, we take off the mainspring and notice that they cut the bottom leg --- this is one way to weaken the mainspring. The modified mainspring has a rectangle, a stock one does not:



    Often people just use a grinder freehand, but this is uniform enough that I'm thinking they either used a diamond wheel /carbide grinding setup with plate supports or possibly a milling machine.
    I need to measure width, but here's a qualitative view of how much they took off, modified on left, stock on right:



    Ok, so the trigger. The 2.5 trigger is on the left, a trigger done by Frank Glenn on the right, and stock is above them both. It looks like the 2.5 trigger is slightly thinner, perhaps they beat it more after heating it with a torch:



    Closer view, 2.5 on left, Glenn trigger on right:


    The downside of curving a trigger is that it makes the single action suck. So a common thing is to file out the cocking notch in the hammer

    Before we go further, let's reaffirm basic survival precepts: DO NOT MESS WITH THE COCKING NOTCH ON A STOCK TRIGGERS! It's unnecessary and BAD. Curving the sear changes the angle enough that we don't have much choice, unless we want to keep a heavy, creeping SA after doing a DA action job.

    So, w/o further drama, here's the modified hammer (left) compared to stock (right). You can see from the rectangles that they've filed away a small amount of material in absolute terms, but a fairly enthusiastic amount in terms of what's in the cocking notch:
    http://coltpython.blogspot.com/

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      D.R.E.
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 891




      As we've come to expect, they replaced the bolt spring, so that the bolt presses less hard against the cylinder. I don't recognize the spring they used --- it's not the one I was shown to swap :



      Here's the parts they plated. Almost everything. One interesting result is that they've added a slight bit of additional width to the cylinder latch pin, eliminating play. I'm curious if that makes a difference in accuracy.


      Now, if you were worried about a lawsuit, what do you never plate? Yeah, indeed the safety mechanisms:



      For what it's worth, Harrett's uses a bushing in the grip:
      http://coltpython.blogspot.com/

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        D.R.E.
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 891

        The gun is nice to shoot. One reason is that it looks like someone cut the front sight thinner. The one on the 2.5 is .098", the ones on stock pythons I had laying around is .124". I have to really recommend using thinner front sights. Glenn made me a custom fiber optic front that makes a big difference, in part b/c of how thin it is:



        And there you have it.

        To summarize:
        • Classic, simple action job. The obvious tricks they played: a Tedford style curved sear trigger, reform the hammer notch, cut material off the lower mainspring leg and polish its end, and replace the bolt spring.
        • Great porting.
        • Thin the front sight.
        • Not much else (that I noticed).


        Really nice, functional carry gun. Time to buy the porting tooling I've been
        putting off getting!
        http://coltpython.blogspot.com/

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        • #5
          sixniner
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 517

          Thank you for a very interesting and educational posting

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          • #6
            CmpsdNoMore
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2008
            • 1699

            I love seeing the internals of firearms and how they work. Great post!

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            • #7
              savasyn
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2007
              • 3201

              Wow, that's great, thanks!

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              • #8
                evidens83
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2009
                • 7839

                Wow that was very informative. Good job with the pics! Have any plans for it?
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                • #9
                  Lissauer
                  Member
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 464

                  I love your threads.
                  The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

                  With guns, we are 'citizens.'

                  Without them, we are 'subjects'.

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                  • #10
                    Carnivore
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 1813

                    That was cool but have to ask, what camera did you use? Those are some great close up shots.
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                    • #11
                      PutTogether
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 2370

                      Awesome thread.
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                      • #12
                        Black Majik
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                        • Oct 2005
                        • 9695

                        As always, very informative. Thanks for the write-up.

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                        • #13
                          caldude
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 1253

                          Great pics and writeup. Very educational for us amateur gunsmiths. Keep them coming.

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                            jdberger
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                            CGN Contributor
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 8944

                            Great post. Thanks for the education.
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                            • #15
                              Guns R Tools
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 1782

                              As always nice write up.

                              Porting is great for recoil control.
                              Mag-na-Port is well known.

                              'Cuz big holes are easier to see.

                              You can correct my spelling and grammar error anytime.
                              I welcome it. How else would I learn.

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