TRP Operator off the approved list?

[timmy8151]

Here is a thread from another forum: http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=24655

According to SA, the change of the light rail on their operators from 3/4" to 1" has dropped them off the CA Approved list. I guess by making the rail change they need to have the guns recertified, but because of the new 2007 stipulations, their operators wouldn't qualify. Does anyone have any insight on this situation.

Also, I have a TRP Operator (PC9105L) on layaway from a dealer out of state. I know the PC9105L is still on the approved list till 9/07, but because of the change, is it dropped off the list?

[m1371]

Here is a thread from another forum: http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.php?t=24655

According to SA, the change of the light rail on their operators from 3/4" to 1" has dropped them off the CA Approved list. I guess by making the rail change they need to have the guns recertified, but because of the new 2007 stipulations, their operators wouldn't qualify. Does anyone have any insight on this situation.

Also, I have a TRP Operator (PC9105L) on layaway from a dealer out of state. I know the PC9105L is still on the approved list till 9/07, but because of the change, is it dropped off the list?

As long as the model you've got on layaway is already on the "approved list" you are good to go up until it drops off the list.

[EricCartmann]

nm.. accidently double posted

[EricCartmann]

California is so lame. I heard Barret pulled out of the PRK completely, won't even sell to police departments either.

Springfield should pull out too. Send a message.

As for me I have only been in the Bay Area 6 months, great place, great people, but I pay $500 more in State taxes just to be here. Besides this, if the Gun laws were better I would still stay, but since the Gun laws are so lame and I hate living in a communist regime.

Las Vegas here I come!

[scootergmc]

California is so lame. I heard Barret pulled out of the PRK completely, won't even sell to police departments either.

Springfield should pull out too. Send a message.

Springfield wouldn't be sending any message. That's exactly what the Anti-gun legislators want...

[EricCartmann]

Trust me, if all the gun manufacturers decide not to support and sell to CA, even stop selling to the law enforcement agencies in CA, I betcha laws will get appealed fast.

Gun owners are the most responsible citizens. By federal law, any felony offense means your guns can be taken awasy, so if someone has a gun collection he will do everything to keep that collection.

Capitalism rules the world. That will be my new motto: "Boycott California"

[stevie]

With the model number change the pistol would need to be re-certified. The new pistol will not pass since no mag disconnect. Lose/Lose situation for all of us.

[bwiese]

Actually, some of you are confused above (Eric Cartman, for example)...

Some gun vendors (more likely distributors & retailers) actually like the approved safe gun list - NSSF types. It restrains competition from smaller vendors and also from a fair fraction of the used gun market. It helps force inventory turn. Costs for testing, etc. are spread across guns sold across the country.

When CA legislation (amendments) were floated to say "once approved, always approved" there was screaming against this from certain retailers/distributors/vendors represented by CRPA.

(Frankly I do not see how Springfield Armory keeps up with changes - everytime they sneeze they do a new model. It does cause CA FFLs problems - I was accidentally sold a 1911 that had just fallen off the list; I swapped it for another on-list gun, as I didn't want the dealer to have problems if audited.)

This is really another case of CRPA's Jerry Upholt & Kathy Lynch working against California gun owners (or rather, following other agendas than fighting for the 2nd!)

I *still* remember Aug 16 2006 (DOJ hearings about detachable magazines) - the NRA and its lawyer showed up, along w/around 30 well-breifed Calgunners (well, around 29 plus 1 well-intentioned poor lost soul). After the hearing was over, walking to lunch we saw the CRPA & GOC folks nearby - though they'd failed to attend the hearing. The pro-forma comment letter submitted by CRPA was in far less extent and detail (with concomitant lack of analysis) than the documents proffered by many of the Calgunners!

[The_Fonz]

Does this affect the older Operators? Such as the full-railed ones?

[CALI-gula]

As long as the model you've got on layaway is already on the "approved list" you are good to go up until it drops off the list.

I realize you get it, because you mentioned "until it drops off the list". But if someone reads that quickly, they might think it is OK while on layaway. Just wanted to stress that if it drops off while on layaway, that doesn't help it. Best to DROS it as soon as possible, as AB2111 only protects it if it falls off the list while during an active DROS period of 30 days. If the gun drops off during a layaway, you won't be able to DROS it as it will already be off the list before what the state considers the purchase date, which is equal to the DROS date.

If the expiration on the list is a long way off, you have few worries. In any case,
YOU SHOULD DROS IT NOW!!!


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[timmy8151]

If the expiration on the list is a long way off, you have few worries. In any case,
YOU SHOULD DROS IT NOW!!!

I would like to pay in full now, but with a recent purchase of a home, I'm not sure I want to pull $1100 out of my bank account right now. The "PC9105L" falls off the list on 9/20/07, however SA has changed the model number of the TRP Operator to "PC9105LP"

[stevie]

Older Full railed Operators will require a PPT if the model number is no longer on the approved CA handgun list.

[stevie]

I would like to pay in full now, but with a recent purchase of a home, I'm not sure I want to pull $1100 out of my bank account right now. The "PC9105L" falls off the list on 9/20/07, however SA has changed the model number of the TRP Operator to "PC9105LP"

I think you are fine for a while. I agree "sooner is better" but i do not think Springfield will voluntary pull a model number off the list. Springfield will just let it expire.

[EricCartmann]

Actually, some of you are confused above (Eric Cartman, for example)...

Some gun vendors (more likely distributors & retailers) actually like the approved safe gun list - NSSF types. It restrains competition from smaller vendors and also from a fair fraction of the used gun market. It helps force inventory turn. Costs for testing, etc. are spread across guns sold across the country.

When CA legislation (amendments) were floated to say "once approved, always approved" there was screaming against this from certain retailers/distributors/vendors represented by CRPA.

(Frankly I do not see how Springfield Armory keeps up with changes - everytime they sneeze they do a new model. It does cause CA FFLs problems - I was accidentally sold a 1911 that had just fallen off the list; I swapped it for another on-list gun, as I didn't want the dealer to have problems if audited.)

This is really another case of CRPA's Jerry Upholt & Kathy Lynch working against California gun owners (or rather, following other agendas than fighting for the 2nd!)

I *still* remember Aug 16 2006 (DOJ hearings about detachable magazines) - the NRA and its lawyer showed up, along w/around 30 well-breifed Calgunners (well, around 29 plus 1 well-intentioned poor lost soul). After the hearing was over, walking to lunch we saw the CRPA & GOC folks nearby - though they'd failed to attend the hearing. The pro-forma comment letter submitted by CRPA was in far less extent and detail (with concomitant lack of analysis) than the documents proffered by many of the Calgunners!

Bill I respect your wisdom and knowlege.

All I am saying why should gun manufacturers supply the people that will one day put them out of business? CA laws and the enforcers-of-CA-laws (such as law enforcement officers) will eventually migrate to other states (see Illinois). The gun manufacturers need to make a stand now. In my mind the bad guys will always have home-made-bombs, and home-made-potato-guns-that can rip a head off. What will the good guys have?

I myself belive any gun laws are dumb but am willing to compromise. If you want to control the flow of guns and the amount of guns, that is fine, but totally banning them is stupid. It will hurt the gun manufacturers if they ban CA now, but I believe in the long run it will help them.

As a CA tax payer who pays approximately $500 a month alone in CA income tax, I feel like I have a say in this.


Private companies are such Trijicon, DSA, SureFire, and Smith Enterprise, etc is supplying our troops in Iraq with quality weapons and weapons equipment. With their research and development of these products our troops are well equipped. Where will these companies be and where would our troops be now if these companies had to follow CA laws? Remember all these companies only sold to private citizins before they got their military contracts.

ALL GUN MANUFACTURERS AND GUN ACCESSORY SHOPS SHOULD BAN CALIFORNIA

[jrhglock99]

I just got off the phone with Dawn at Springfield Armory. They are doing another run right now of the PC9105 full rail guns. So if any one wants one that can't find one right now, might want to get ahold of their dealer a.s.a.p.