Scary Magazine Disconnect

[halifax]

I had my first look at a Ruger SR9 today and tested the magazine disconnect feature. To my complete surprise, it dropped the hammer with an empty magwell.

I got a primed case and loaded it, and pulled the trigger. No BOOM. The magazine disconnect doesn't lock the mechanism or disconnect the trigger instead it disconnects the firing pin from the hammer.

It works but it is scary. The first time anyway.

[CHS]

I hate hate HATE magazine disconnects. Worst safety "feature" ever designed by man.
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[Riodog]

The mag disconnect is not always a bad thing. It's to prevent AD's with idiots popping the mag and without thinking pulling the trigger.

There are justifications to disable a mag disconnect but if you have to ask what they are -> then you'd best just leave it operable.
Rio

[Vin496]

The mag disconnect is not always a bad thing. It's to prevent AD's with idiots popping the mag and without thinking pulling the trigger.

There are justifications to disable a mag disconnect but if you have to ask what they are -> then you'd best just leave it operable.
Rio

I always thought the magazine disconnect was more for LEO, and helping to prevent the weapon being used on them.

[CHS]

The mag disconnect is not always a bad thing. It's to prevent AD's with idiots popping the mag and without thinking pulling the trigger.

That's a sack of BS. Mag disconnects are always a bad thing.

I don't care how many idiots pop the mag and pull the trigger without thinking. The first rule of firearms is that they are ALWAYS loaded. Period.

[justin_5585]

I always thought the magazine disconnect was more for LEO, and helping to prevent the weapon being used on them.

How would that help LEO?

[QuarterBoreGunner]

That's a sack of BS. Mag disconnects are always a bad thing.

I don't care how many idiots pop the mag and pull the trigger without thinking. The first rule of firearms is that they are ALWAYS loaded. Period.

Agreed; it's a mechanical solution for a training issue.

[Vin496]

How would that help LEO?

The idea being that in a struggle a LEO could release the mag in an attempt to not have the gun used on them.

[dansgold]

That's a sack of BS. Mag disconnects are always a bad thing.

I don't care how many idiots pop the mag and pull the trigger without thinking. The first rule of firearms is that they are ALWAYS loaded. Period.

The logical conclusion of this is that you "don't care" if someone not as well trained or experienced as they should be is injured ... or perhaps someone standing by.

A loaded handgun is found on a schoolyard. An inexperienced teacher "unloads" the weapon by removing the magazine. While handling the weapon the trigger is accidentally pulled. A third party is hit and killed.

This happened. A magazine disconnect safety most certainly would have prevented this tragedy.

I am not a big fan of mag disconnects myself, as I am well trained and knowledgeable. I don't think they should be required, but to say they are of absolutely zero value is going a bit far.

I guess that means we're not friends anymore, huh?

[bigbob76]

For me it's a self preservation issue. If my mag gets lost I want to at least have a single shot pistol to use.

[pontiacpratt]

My Beretta's don't have that... I've got a big billboard that reminds me that it will fire without a magazine

[halifax]

I have no problems with anyone who wants an additional safety feature. Colt made it a selling point in 1917 when it was added to certain models. The 1908 vest pocket I own has one.

Forcing it on everyone is the real BS.

[locosway]

The logical conclusion of this is that you "don't care" if someone not as well trained or experienced as they should be is injured ... or perhaps someone standing by.

A loaded handgun is found on a schoolyard. An inexperienced teacher "unloads" the weapon by removing the magazine. While handling the weapon the trigger is accidentally pulled. A third party is hit and killed.

This happened. A magazine disconnect safety most certainly would have prevented this tragedy.

I am not a big fan of mag disconnects myself, as I am well trained and knowledgeable. I don't think they should be required, but to say they are of absolutely zero value is going a bit far.

I guess that means we're not friends anymore, huh?

If a teacher is untrained, they shouldn't be handling a gun, right?

What if they found a bulldozer in the playground, would the teacher drive it away without training? No, why? Because that's stupid. The same principal goes for guns as well.

I tried to have a bleeding heart for everyone, but I ran out of blood.

[Bud Fox]

I would think that this might breed bad habits. I don't care, I treat every gun as if it's loaded until I remove the mag and examine the barrel, even if the weapon hasn't moved in 30 minutes I always check the barrel, first thing. Old habits should never die.

[Vin496]

I would think that this might breed bad habits. I don't care, I treat every gun as if it's loaded until I remove the mag and examine the barrel, even if the weapon hasn't moved in 30 minutes I always check the barrel, first thing. Old habits should never die.

Same here, when I'm going through my guns and even though I know I don't have ammo in the same room and just checked that pistol 5 minutes ago when I first picked it up. The first thing I do is eject the magazine pull back the slide and visually check and insert a finger into the chamber.