Talk me out of buying SIG

[Gryff]

I really like my P320. Bought as the standard full size model, I now have configurations also for sub-compact and X5 Legion competition model (that one's a beast...love it). If you are smart and patient, you can find conversion kits at reduced prices, so...no...it costs less than having three comparable Glocks. That's all beside the point that the ergonomics are better than Glock's.

Don't think it's the greatest gun platform made, but it is enjoyable to own.

[JustDynamicsLLC]

Since they were begrudgingly welcomed into CA I've been thinking about buying my first SIG. I was pretty set on the P365 until I held one. Just too small in my hand. Plus I've got that size covered in my M&P Shield. Now I'm leaning toward the P320 M18.

I've heard all the pros about this firearm. So talking me out of buying it. What are the cons?

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1. The Sig P365 is an excellent option for CCW. It is the original subcompact 10-round pistol of its dimensions. It is smaller than a Glock 43 (slightly) and holds 10+1. Some people prefer as small as is practicable in an effective caliber (9mm and up). It is not a range toy or fun gun. The P320 feels ergonomic (to me) and has grip module options as has been pointed out already.

2. Sig is not an acronym. It is part of the name of the company Sig Sauer. Not sure why you capitalize Sig.

[acaligunner]

You have a gangbanger with a full size 4? 357 magnum / beretta 92 9mm aiming at your chest and there you go with all your firearm knowledge ~ pulling out the smallest, shortest grip 9mm ( paraphrasing ) sig P365 !

That has always made me 🤔 about what is the rage in concealed carry options.

Just throwing that out there and a lol.

[benjos]

Try before you buy.

Also combat hold vs center hold could be an issue if you?re used to the latter.

^^ This.

[Old Marine]

I have a g19, 17, 34 and 26. All are ok, but the grip angle doesn't do great for me. I learned to shoot on a 1911, so anything that comes close to that is great.
Also have 365xl, 229, 220, 229 and the M18.

G19 is all gucci'd out. Grip under cut, and stippled, slide ported and a Trijicon RDS, magwell dealio. On a scale of 1 to 10, if I work at it like a job, shoot about a 90 out of 100 points at 15. If it has been a while, closer to a 60%.
Any of my Sig's, 90 to 100 with really working at it. The M18 about a 85 right out of the box.

Go hold one, shoot one. Let your mileage guide you. Some of the folks I shoot with love the M18, others can't get over the issues of unintended disccharges in the past. But these are the same people who have forgotten or dismissed Glock's issues when it was first introduced.
BTW, my M18 is an off the shelf CA roster version.
Good luck in your search.

[damngato]

Can't agree more with the try before you buy suggestion. I have 3 P320s (.45, .357sig and 9mm) and have had no issues with them. I had a P365 and it was fine too.

I still prefer my P-series Sigs but that's in part because they are not the CA version. If I had to choose a CA version P-series or a P320 it may be a bit tougher decision as I hate the LCIs. I never really let the magazine cost impact the purchase but I guess it's something to keep in mind.

Give as many as you can a try and see what works best for you. Good luck

[Zenderfall]

2. Sig is not an acronym. It is part of the name of the company Sig Sauer. Not sure why you capitalize Sig.

SIG Sauer?s logo is SIG with a circle around it.

SIG stands for Schweizerische Industrie-Gesellschaft.

SIG Sauer is correct. I haven?t found anything in print yet with Sig Sauer and not SIG Sauer.

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[Ruber]

Because it is an acronym- Schweizerische Industrie Gesellschaft

[cosmonaut]

2. Sig is not an acronym. It is part of the name of the company Sig Sauer. Not sure why you capitalize Sig.

Sig Sauer?s logo is SIG with a circle around it, that?s why. See enough of that logo will cause many to label them as SIG. Yes, the company?s name is Sig Sauer, but why their logo is SIG, someone else can chime in why. Perhaps the company wanted emphasis on their products? SIG!

But Sig Sauer, or Sig (short for Sig Sauer) or SIG are all correct.

The official history notes that SIG has always been an acronym for Schweizerische Industrie-Gesellschaft. The naming history goes a follows:

1853 - Swiss Wagon Factory (WTF right?)
1864 - SIG
1985 - SIGARMS
2007 - SIG SAUER

Yes, the "SAUER" comes from J.P. Sauer and Sohn but the official trademark is all caps.

[vandal]

Rust.

[sigstroker]

That's not my experience at all. I shot a friend's early production P365 years ago when they first came out and nailed a bullseye first shot about 20ft. Proceeded to make a tight group with the rest of the shots. Ever since then I knew I wanted one. Well, all these years later I finally got my own P365 and same thing, nailed the bullseye first shot and all following shots one tight group. I shoot a variety of guns well; Glocks, CZs, 1911s, Berettas, HKs, other Sigs, S&Ws.

Did you check the sights on that P365? You'd be surprised how many guns come from the factory not even remotely sighted in. Especially when they are cranking out as many as they can. I've seen a few Sigs with sights that are off. That's my main criticism of Sig. They don't fit the sights properly they just jam them in and if they don't line up all the way they just send it out the door like that. Kinda bullchit basic gun making if you ask me. And they are so jammed in there that it's almost impossible to get the sight off without destroying the damn thing. You have to be really careful and expect to destroy the sights removing them and have to buy new sights to properly fit them, which is how they should have been from the factory.

But if the sight's are correct, then they are very accurate easy to shoot guns

Also the brown finish on the M17/M18 is utter crap. Really unacceptable IMHO. The slides on all the P365s have blemishes on the sides where it looks like it was put in a vise to hold it while they jam the sights in.

You have to be careful when changing sights on a SIG. They have a tapered one-way dovetail. You push them out and in from the same side. That's what makes them fit good and tight. That's how it is on P22x guns anyway, don't know about the P3xx.

I have German 226 with a folded steel slide. The steel is relatively soft, so if you beat on it with a punch you'll deform the dovetail. You should use a sight pusher.

[sigstroker]

You should try an old German Sig from 1990s and before. P220, P225, P226, P228 are all fantastic guns. Early P229 had German frame with American slide. I think later Sigs from mid 2000s on were all made in New Hampshire.

But, they are all huge and heavy compared to a 365.

[sigstroker]

$80 spare magazines that are limited to 10 rds.

In a free state, you could get MAGPUL clone mags for $35

41 bucks at gunmagwarehouse.

[sigstroker]

BTW, if you want your SIG to shoot higher or lower, check with them to see if they have replacement sights. Mine shot low so I ordered a new rear sight that was 2 numbers higher. For example, mine was a 7 and I ordered a 9 (they're numbered). Right on the money at 15-20 yards.

[DaveInOroValley]

You should try an old German Sig from 1990s and before. P220, P225, P226, P228 are all fantastic guns. Early P229 had German frame with American slide. I think later Sigs from mid 2000s on were all made in New Hampshire.

Thank you, I may look at that.