Magazine disconnect trick

[karamba]

Something I probably missed.
Everyone at the shooting range I go to does the same thing at the end of the session.

1. Points the gun downrange
2. Pulls the trigger ( which usually clicks but sometimes go bang)
3. Packs the gun in the case or whatever he brought it in.
Now if you have magazine disconnect, the gun does not go bang even if there is a round in the chamber.
You come home and want to dry practice. Because of the magazine disconnect you cannot without the magazine in the gun so you have to insert it in.
Now you have a hot gun but no safety of the gun range.
Is this requirement introduced as a prank on California population ?

[Kyle1886]

Since I have only one hand gun with a mag disconnect, the rest don't, I treat them all the same for travel. No round in the arms or mags inserted.

Anytime I dry fire regardless of arm there is a chamber check first and dummies rounds for firing pin protection.

Always visuals! ...at least for me.

Respectfully
Kyle

[Spanky8601]

Something I probably missed.
Everyone at the shooting range I go to does the same thing at the end of the session.

1. Points the gun downrange
2. Pulls the trigger ( which usually clicks but sometimes go bang)
3. Packs the gun in the case or whatever he brought it in.
Now if you have magazine disconnect, the gun does not go bang even if there is a round in the chamber.
You come home and want to dry practice. Because of the magazine disconnect you cannot without the magazine in the gun so you have to insert it in.
Now you have a hot gun but no safety of the gun range.
Is this requirement introduced as a prank on California population ?

Well that is a horrible habit to have. Always visually check to make sure your firearm and mags are empty. I check twice, at least.

[TKM]

Have you considered needlepoint?

[Toybasher]

Rack the slide a few times after removing the magazine, and always verify the chamber is empty.

[karamba]

You all missed the point.

If everyone is absolutely diligent and attentive there is no need for magazine disconnect, safeties, even checking the chamber as there would be no chance that that someone forgot a round in the chamber, dropped the gun, etc etc.
But since we are all real people we have to double and triple check even if we know that we did everything right, in case we did not.
The point of the post is that introducing the magazine disconnect is likely to increase the chance of an accidental discharge not minimize it.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

I always do a chamber check as part of picking up any firearm, be it my own, one that's handed to me...even if it's one of my own that I 'know" is unloaded, etc. Part of ensuring there's no round in the chamber includes not just looking to ensure there isn't round in the chamber, I also use my finger to feel and ensure there's no round. You can call that overkill or being overly cautious, stupid, etc., but it's part of my routine.

Guess the OP and his range buddies forgot the first rule of firearms safety...treat every firearm as if it's loaded. Who the heck picks up a firearm and starts dry fire/dry practice without checking the damn chamber and assumes it's unloaded, and when you're finish at the range you don't open the action? I always open the action when I'm done at the range, pack up my stuff, and then when I go to case the firearm (be it a shot gun, rifle or pistol) I do another check before I close the action and case the firearm. When the firearm comes out of the case and onto the bench, immediately after uncasing it the action comes open and I perform a visual and manual check. Same procedure happens at home when dry firing. If I'm going to be doing some dry practice with a firearm that's loaded, be it my bedside pistol, my CCW, etc., I unload the weapon, do a visual and manual check to ensure it's unloaded, leave the action open and then take the ammo and place it in a completely separate room, come back to the weapon and reinspect it again before closing the action and do my dry practice session. It really isn't that difficult and doesn't matter if there's a magazine disconnect or not. Open the darn action and do an inspection and problem solved.

[ARDude]

Only have 2 firearms with mag disconnects. Hi power and Buckmark.
Removed them on both. Problem solved.

[Dvrjon]

Something I probably missed.
Everyone at the shooting range I go to does the same thing at the end of the session.

1. Points the gun downrange
2. Pulls the trigger ( which usually clicks but sometimes go bang)
3. Packs the gun in the case or whatever he brought it in.
Now if you have magazine disconnect, the gun does not go bang even if there is a round in the chamber.

If the gun has a mag disconnect and the mag is in the gun, #2 will happen.

If the mag is not in the gun, the gun will not go click or bang. The disconnect does what it says it does. It disconnects the trigger (or sear) and the trigger is inoperable. This is a designed malfunction. At that point, everyone at your range (including you) should be aware that there is a problem and needs to fully clear the gun.

You come home and want to dry practice. Because of the magazine disconnect you cannot without the magazine in the gun so you have to insert it in.
Now you have a hot gun but no safety of the gun range.

Every gun is always loaded. Is it your practice to simply pick up a gun and pull the trigger?
My Granchildren know better.

Is this requirement introduced as a prank on California population ?

Is this a troll post, or did I miss something?

[Dvrjon]

You all missed the point

Your point is not keen.

If everyone is absolutely diligent and attentive there is no need for magazine disconnect, safeties, even checking the chamber as there would be no chance that that someone forgot a round in the chamber, dropped the gun, etc etc.
But since we are all real people we have to double and triple check even if we know that we did everything right, in case we did not.
The point of the post is that introducing the magazine disconnect is likely to increase the chance of an accidental discharge not minimize it.

Mag disconnects are not something which has recently been introduced. John Browning patented a magazine disconnect in 1910 (Patent Number 984,519.) Shortly after WWI French specifications for a new service sidearm called for a magazine disconnect. A magazine disconnect was incorporated into the venerable Browning Hi-Power in the 1930?s as a military weapon.

Mag disconnects have been required in CA for over two decades. That statute was established based on the death of a single individual. In CA, it was not intended to safeguard diligent firearms enthusiasts. It was designed to protect children whose parents were too stupid to securely store their loaded firearms.

[9Cal_OC]

Ay karamba

Preaching to the choir.

[IVC]

This is the standard procedure for any competition and it's a very good habit to have a strict protocol for clearing the gun and packing it for transport.

The protocol, from the USPSA (similar in other competition) is as follows:

• Command: "If you are finished unload and show clear"
• You pull the magazine out, rack out the round, check in TWO places (in the chamber and down the magwell), and present the gun with the slide back.
• Command "If clear, hammer down holster"
• You close the slide and pull the trigger (you are NOT allowed to use decocker, it must be a pull that will fire a round if it's there by mistake), then you either holster or bag the gun.

If you have the magazine disconnect gun (yuck), you're actually complicating the protocol and introducing a potential problem - on "if clear, hammer down holster" you FIRST drop the slide, THEN insert an *empty* magazine so you can pull the trigger, then you take the magazine out and holster/bag.

The problem is obvious - first, you can by mistake use full magazine, in which case you just loaded your gun; second, you have a specific order of dropping the slide, then inserting the magazine (safe), which is easy to mess up and insert the magazine, then drop the slide (unsafe, if magazine is loaded).

Magazine disconnect is about the worst safety violator that I can think of. And to think it was introduced as a "safety feature" is a travesty...

[Barang]

that's how stoopid commiefornia is. in their brilliant minds, the required mag-disco for the safety of NObody! idiots.

[SkyHawk]

The point of the post is that introducing the magazine disconnect is likely to increase the chance of an accidental discharge not minimize it.

That is true, but the people who make the laws here are incredibly stupid and/or evil - so this revelation should not come as a surprise.

Another risk of leaving a round in the chamber at the range is you get pulled over by police on the way home for something minor and they find a loaded gun in your car, and if it is not a permitted carry gun then you are facing criminal charges.

Anyhow, always visually check the chamber and remember the gun is always loaded until you personally verify that it isn't by inspecting the chamber.

['ol shooter]

Karamba at the range...