Help me win an argument

[Ruperto36]

I have a friend (truly) that made an 80% AR pistol back in 2016. He had his name and serial number and place made engraved on it. I told him that with today's new rules he is supposed to have a serial number that the DOJ provides. Are these laws grandfathered? Meaning he made his pistol awhile ago does he need to meet todays new laws or is he right and it's legal as is which was legal when he made it.

There is $20 dollars and a case of Bud Light (hahaha) on the line. Thanks all.

[golfish]

I have a friend (truly) that made an 80% AR pistol back in 2016. He had his name and serial number and place made engraved on it. I told him that with today's new rules he is supposed to have a serial number that the DOJ provides. Are these laws grandfathered? Meaning he made his pistol awhile ago does he need to meet todays new laws or is he right and it's legal as is which was legal when he made it.

There is $20 dollars and a case of Bud Light (hahaha) on the line. Thanks all.

Yes and even then I don't think he can have the pistol unless it's a single shot..

But I have been know to be wrong.... a lot

[bohoki]

if he volregged them before the law went into effect he should be fine

[Devilock04]

Like bohoki said, he could have voluntarily registered it prior to the serial number system going online. I did it with my 80% lower. I eventually got a letter from the DOJ saying it was registered.

[LBDamned]

I thought it only needed serial number if it was to be sold?... that's how it was back when I did a couple anyway.

[zinfull]

I did a 80% pistol and put my own serial number and other info on the frame. Then the state made it into an assault weapon and I decided to re-register the gun. Just make sure it does not count as an AW.

[SkyHawk]

Yes, if they were made before the law kicked in that required a DOJ issued number, and they were registered during the time window allowed - it is legal to have his own serial but they must be registered with DOJ.

I have several AR lowers made from 80% with my own serial and they are registered with DOJ.

Any lowers or other firearms made after the law kicked in must have a DOJ issued serial and must get DOJ approval before manufacturing.

https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press-docs/consumer-alert.pdf

Any person who possesses a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm that does not bear a serial number must apply to the DOJ for a unique serial number by January 1, 2019.

Any person intending to manufacture or assemble a firearm after July 1, 2018, must first apply to the DOJ for a unique serial number.

Before July 1 2018, you could use your own serial #.

[Palmaris]

I have answer, but will NOT participate since Bud Light is involved! Boycott means boycott! No exception! Sorry.

[igs]

You are wrong. Stop spreading FUD.

[Barang]

There is $20 dollars and a case of Bud Light (hahaha) on the line. Thanks all.

friends don't let friends drink trans light.

[Ruperto36]

Thank you all for your help. It is now clear as mud.

[LBDamned]

Thank you all for your help. It is now clear as mud.

See you won!

Works for leftists

[CSACANNONEER]

While we do not know if he volreg'd or not, if he did, it is 100% legal. The fact that you made the claim that it can't be legal, you loose period.

[BrokerB]

He would if needed to register it will CA DOJ. Those jackboot thugs " just getting their pension/home safe at night " required all 80% GHOST GUNS!!! To be registered a few years back.

[Quiet]

I have a friend (truly) that made an 80% AR pistol back in 2016. He had his name and serial number and place made engraved on it. I told him that with today's new rules he is supposed to have a serial number that the DOJ provides. Are these laws grandfathered? Meaning he made his pistol awhile ago does he need to meet todays new laws or is he right and it's legal as is which was legal when he made it.

Before 07-01-2018, a person with an existing CA legal self-made firearm could engrave it with their info, per ATF specifications, and voluntarily register it with CA DOJ.

Starting 07-01-2018, existing self-made firearms were required to be registered with CA DOJ and have CA DOJ marking info engraved on them, before 01-01-2019.

Starting 01-01-2019, non-exempt self-made firearms that are not registered with CA DOJ can be confiscated as evidence of violating CA self-made firearm laws. [PC 29180(d)(3)]

Before 01-01-2024, any non-FFL that possesses a firearm precursor part in CA must have it registered with CA DOJ and have CA DOJ marking info engraved on it. [PC 29180(c)]

Starting 01-01-2024, possession of a non-exempt unregistered self-made firearm or firearm precursor part is illegal in CA and the firearm is subject to confiscation/destruction when discovered. [PC 23920(b)]

Exempt self-made firearms are:
A. Self-made firearm that was voluntarily registered with CA DOJ before 07-01-2018. [PC 23925(b)(2)]
B. Self-made firearm that is a C&R firearm under Federal laws/regulations. [PC 23925(b)(3)]
C. Self-made firearm that is an antique firearm under Federal laws/regulations. [PC 23925(b)(3)]