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  • Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30242

    Originally posted by franklinarmory
    Originally posted by ar15barrels
    My guess is that the manual safety is only required on semi-autos and since they were not submitting a semi-auto, they got away without the safety.
    Not many double action revolvers with manual safeties but lots of them on roster without a manual safety.
    The section is 31910 (b)(1) CPC. It relates to pistols. (a)(1-3) deals with revolvers. (b)(4+) deals with semiauto pistols. So in short, it is required of all pistols. He must have gotten CADOJ to agree that the trigger is the "positive manually operated safety device." And to that, I tip my hat and say, well done!
    Penal Code 31910
    As used in this part, “unsafe handgun” means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, for which any of the following is true:
    (b) For a pistol:
    (1) It does not have a positive manually operated safety device, as determined by standards relating to imported guns promulgated by the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
    (2) It does not meet the firing requirement for handguns.
    (3) It does not meet the drop safety requirement for handguns.

    California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 5 Article 2 Section 4049
    Definition of Key Terms.
    (p) “Pistol” means a handgun in which the chamber is part of the barrel. A pistol can either be semiautomatic or non-semiautomatic, but not fully automatic.
    (t) “Revolver” means a handgun with a cylinder having several chambers so arranged as to rotate around an axis and be discharged successively by the same firing mechanism through a common barrel.
    Last edited by Quiet; 01-19-2023, 4:02 PM.
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    • bwiese
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Oct 2005
      • 27622

      [QUOTE=classicman213;27577380]I wonder if issuing agencies will allow for Single-shot/Single-action guns to be on CCW permits if converted to semi-auto configuration?

      Depends on the IA.

      The ones that had allowed SSE (2008-2014) guns on permits may continue.

      But some IAs are sticklers, not wanting any mods differing from Roster
      exemplar status (except for maybe grips/sights). [Could get interesting
      if they demand mags be factory too!]

      Much of this will take litigation to resolve.

      Bill Wiese
      San Jose, CA

      CGF Board Member / NRA Benefactor Life Member / CRPA life member
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      • ar15barrels
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 57183

        Originally posted by franklinarmory
        We receive the FCU from Sig.
        Do you have Sig mark the FCU as a Franklin Armory FCU for you or do you do that as part of your manufacturing before the guns ship?
        Other than the grip frame which could possibly be removed and replaced, what other parts of the rostered gun are specifically identified as Franklin Armory either by a franklin Armory specific serial number range or prefix or by actual markings as to Franklin Armory being the manufacturer?
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        • ronlglock
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • May 2011
          • 2670

          CA320 on Roster

          Last edited by ronlglock; 01-19-2023, 5:33 PM.
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          • tomrkba
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2016
            • 1513

            Originally posted by morrcarr67
            They're going to launch it next week at SHOT.

            But, my best guess is that it's a Bolt Action Repeating Pistol based on the Sig Sauer P320 Modular Chassis design.

            Very similar to their Bolt Action Repeating AR pattern pistols.
            BOLT ACTION??? Who wants bolt action???

            I want it to be lever action!
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            • franklinarmory
              Vendor/Retailer
              • Nov 2009
              • 1892

              "Do you have Sig mark the FCU as a Franklin Armory FCU for you or do you do that as part of your manufacturing before the guns ship?"

              They are first marked by Sig and then we laser our make, model, city, and state as requires by the GCA.
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              • franklinarmory
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Nov 2009
                • 1892

                "Yes sir, someone in your booth did say the exact words"

                Then I apologize to you and 2A Zone for our comment.
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                • S.A.
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 2129

                  Turner’s taking deposits. $929.99

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                  • BajaJames83
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 6045


                    The safety comes off in about 2 minutes or less and one pin $15 goes in its place and you have a non MS fcu.
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                    • fastandfurious
                      Junior Member
                      • Jan 2022
                      • 2

                      Originally posted by franklinarmory
                      "Do you have Sig mark the FCU as a Franklin Armory FCU for you or do you do that as part of your manufacturing before the guns ship?"

                      They are first marked by Sig and then we laser our make, model, city, and state as requires by the GCA.
                      so down the road, if there is an issue with the FCU... who's warranty will be addressing the issue?

                      Sig Sauer or Franklin Armory?

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                      • Scratch705
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • May 2009
                        • 12537

                        Originally posted by fastandfurious
                        so down the road, if there is an issue with the FCU... who's warranty will be addressing the issue?

                        Sig Sauer or Franklin Armory?
                        He literally stated in this thread that FA will take care of warranty on their ca320
                        Originally posted by leelaw
                        Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
                        Originally posted by SoCalSig1911
                        Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
                        Originally posted by PrepperGunShop
                        Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).

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                        • RifleSupply
                          Vendor/Retailer
                          • Mar 2018
                          • 51

                          Gonna be a great addition to the shop!
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                          Phone: 714-841-1480
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                          • Garbcollector
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 2464

                            I just put a deposit on one at turners they are going to start showing up in March sometime I was told

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                            • gun toting monkeyboy
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 6820

                              Okay, I know you guys love stating that "all the grips fit it." However, what he was asking is which grips will drop on to it without having to change the slide or other major parts. Since it has the 3.9 inch barrel, and comes with the safety, you can swap it into either the compact or carry grip frames that are set up to run with the safety. Both of those will work with the slide length it comes with i believe. And those basic frames from Sig are running around $37 right now online. I believe Wilson Combat and maybe others make after market grip frames as well, if you prefer those instead. I think those are going for $47-55 online. The funny thing is that the basic 10 round magazines we need for here in the People's Republic cost more than the grip frames do.

                              Franklin Armory, thank you very much for doing this. Also, when you get inquiries from Cal Customs in Fallbrook about getting these, they are trying to track them down for me. Please, please, please have some in stock. Pretty please. I have been hounding them since this broke online last week. I am hoping to get this as soon as possible to try to add it to my CCW permit, and see if I can get the San Diego Sheriff's office to along with it. I mean, it IS on the roster now, isn't it?

                              -Mb
                              Originally posted by aplinker
                              It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.

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                              • Thrashard340
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2011
                                • 896

                                Originally posted by gun toting monkeyboy
                                Okay, I know you guys love stating that "all the grips fit it." However, what he was asking is which grips will drop on to it without having to change the slide or other major parts. Since it has the 3.9 inch barrel, and comes with the safety, you can swap it into either the compact or carry grip frames that are set up to run with the safety. Both of those will work with the slide length it comes with i believe. And those basic frames from Sig are running around $37 right now online. I believe Wilson Combat and maybe others make after market grip frames as well, if you prefer those instead. I think those are going for $47-55 online. The funny thing is that the basic 10 round magazines we need for here in the People's Republic cost more than the grip frames do.

                                Franklin Armory, thank you very much for doing this. Also, when you get inquiries from Cal Customs in Fallbrook about getting these, they are trying to track them down for me. Please, please, please have some in stock. Pretty please. I have been hounding them since this broke online last week. I am hoping to get this as soon as possible to try to add it to my CCW permit, and see if I can get the San Diego Sheriff's office to along with it. I mean, it IS on the roster now, isn't it?

                                -Mb
                                Very informative. Thanks for the post. I'll be keeping an eye out for one myself when it launches. I am hoping the LGS' will not be backlogged.

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