PPT FAQ - Sales limit etc.

[Librarian]

A person I am purchasing a pistol from told me he talked to an FFL that said they would run a background check on the seller during the PPT process- is that correct?

No.

Not unless the buyer fails the check, and the FFL needs to return the gun to the seller.

[1911-CV]

1 handgun or semi-automatic centerfire rifle

PC 27535 Original Bill became effective July 1 which states:

(a) "A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one handgun or semiautomatic centerfire rifle within any 30-day period."

but does not apply to (b)(8) "Any transaction conducted through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050)." - Which is a PPT.

Some glitches have been reported in the DOJ system, first I've heard of this one.

[Librarian]

Correct.

[Dennis]

I was at kw defense in stockton today and was told ppt are now limited to one in 30 for semi auto handguns.They are great people and good to do business with.Has anyone heard of this?She did say it might be a glitch in the doj system.

PC 27535 Original Bill became effective July 1 which states:

(a) "A person shall not make an application to purchase more than one handgun or semiautomatic centerfire rifle within any 30-day period."

but does not apply to (b)(8) "Any transaction conducted through a licensed firearms dealer pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050)." - Which is a PPT.

Some glitches have been reported in the DOJ system, first I've heard of this one.

Perhaps I reading this wrong. I've always struggled with reading and interpreting legal stuff. I might have an opportunity to pick up two guns from one person. This would be considered one PPT and is still allowed, correct? Has anyone had confirmation about this possible "Glitch" one way or another?

[Xerxes]

So a stripped receiver (Americas Rifle and some others) seems to get transferred by DROS as a centerfire semi-automatic rifle, (no idea how folks get them transferred as semi-auto handguns them sell them here on Calguns for $2,000 for the bare receiver with copy of their DROS).

QUESTION.
Does the stripped AR receiver (or stripped UZI, PS90, Galil, AK, etc) counted in the one in 30 days?

If so is it because how it was DROS'd? meaning if it was DROS'd as not semi-automatic that it does not count-not sure how I would go about that but it appears many folks here have some way of doing so for those odd AR handgun receivers.

Is there any exemption for C&R semi-auto rifles or handguns? similar to the handgun roster exemption for C&R.

.....last, the Dealer Consignment handguns were exempt under the old 30 day, are consignment handguns/rifles exempt to the one in 30 as the Dealer does not purchase them but they are not Person to Person in the strictest sense.

Thank you for your time in replying with useful factual information only. I am looking for an FFL to answer or someone that has been denied or had success in answering.......I have already done all the conjecturing I need by myself and do not need any more of that as it gives me a horrible headache!.

[Quiet]

So a stripped receiver (Americas Rifle and some others) seems to get transferred by DROS as a centerfire semi-automatic rifle, (no idea how folks get them transferred as semi-auto handguns them sell them here on Calguns for $2,000 for the bare receiver with copy of their DROS).

QUESTION.
Does the stripped AR receiver (or stripped UZI, PS90, Galil, AK, etc) counted in the one in 30 days?

If so is it because how it was DROS'd? meaning if it was DROS'd as not semi-automatic that it does not count-not sure how I would go about that but it appears many folks here have some way of doing so for those odd AR handgun receivers.

Is there any exemption for C&R semi-auto rifles or handguns? similar to the handgun roster exemption for C&R.

.....last, the Dealer Consignment handguns were exempt under the old 30 day, are consignment handguns/rifles exempt to the one in 30 as the Dealer does not purchase them but they are not Person to Person in the strictest sense.

Thank you for your time in replying with useful factual information only. I am looking for an FFL to answer or someone that has been denied or had success in answering.......I have already done all the conjecturing I need by myself and do not need any more of that as it gives me a horrible headache!.

Unless an exemption is utilized, an AR15 style receiver is typically DROS'd as "rifle, receiver".

Since it is not processed as a "rifle, semi-auto", it does not trigger the 1 in 30 day restriction.
However, if it is incorrectly processed as a "rifle, semi-auto, receiver", then it could trigger the 1 in 30 day wait.
^Since it is a stripped receiver, there are no parts that make's it semi-auto, so it should not be processed as a semi-auto.
~Also, if it is a factory virgin receiver, then it has never been configured as a semi-auto, so it should never be indicated as a semi-auto when it is processed.

An exempt person (i.e. CA LEO) can have an AR15 style receiver DROS'd as a "pistol, semi-auto, receiver" or "pistol, receiver".
^This is because they are exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws and can legally acquire pistol receivers from CA FFL dealers.


There is no C&R firearm exemption to the 1 in 30 day wait.

However, a person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE is exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait. [PC 27535(b)(9)]
^This exemption applies to both C&R and non-C&R firearms. It is not restricted to just C&R firearms.

Consignment sales are considered a type of PPT and PPT are exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait. [PC 27535(b)(8)]

[Xerxes]

Unless an exemption is utilized, an AR15 style receiver is typically DROS'd as "rifle, receiver".

Since it is not processed as a "rifle, semi-auto", it does not trigger the 1 in 30 day restriction.
However, if it is incorrectly processed as a "rifle, semi-auto, receiver", then it could trigger the 1 in 30 day wait.
^Since it is a stripped receiver, there are no parts that make's it semi-auto, so it should not be processed as a semi-auto.
~Also, if it is a factory virgin receiver, then it has never been configured as a semi-auto, so it should never be indicated as a semi-auto when it is processed.

An exempt person (i.e. CA LEO) can have an AR15 style receiver DROS'd as a "pistol, semi-auto, receiver" or "pistol, receiver".
^This is because they are exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws and can legally acquire pistol receivers from CA FFL dealers.


There is no C&R firearm exemption to the 1 in 30 day wait.

However, a person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE is exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait. [PC 27535(b)(9)]
^This exemption applies to both C&R and non-C&R firearms. It is not restricted to just C&R firearms.

Consignment sales are considered a type of PPT and PPT are exempt from the 1 in 30 day wait. [PC 27535(b)(8)]

Thank you for your kindly reply.

The two ANDERSON stripped receivers recently DROS'd as category "SEMI-AUTOMATIC" by the SPORTSMAN Warehouse. To be fair they did ask my how I was going to put it together and I thought that was weird as it gave me the impression that I had options to choose like ..... handgun... then I could be a classified market place cowboy for a day and flip it for 20 times what I paid at $2,000.

29 Outdoor recently did a PA10 and UZI receiver for me and they too clicked the category "SEMI-AUTOMATIC". They did not ask me any questions-just did it that way.

As for your explanation of LEO exempts being the source of the 2 to 3 AR15 receivers being sold as handguns each month in the Marketplacde, well that makes sense. Hopefully the DROS does not say LEO exemption on it and incomplete receiver. The community would be better serviced if the original buyer assembled it so that its a complete pistol assembled by exception to the safe and insane handgun manufacturing law where a different color invokes a new round of required testing as some colors are more dangerous and prone to firing when dropped.

Another question prompted by the most excellent answer I received.....
For the FFL's out there ....... or.... anybody else who in the last 60 & 1/2 days that DROS'd a stripped lower receiver ...or two.....or three ....... what category is listed on your DROS paperwork?
What categories can be chosen on the DROS for a stripped lower receiver that the DOJ will accept?
Is the FFL free to choose the category as he pleases or do you self declare how you are going to assemble it and thats what he puts (i.e. why sportsman asked me how I was going to assemble it-I did say one was to be a 22LR but he still listed it as centerfire semi-auto-it was a two-fer DROS so maybe thats why).

All of this typing by me was prompted by me seeing threads/posts the stripped receivers were exempt .....but my recent DROS's clearly list CATEGORY as "SEMI-AUTOMATIC" so how do I make this work for me for multiple stripped receiver purchases at once (for better price with shipping and DROS cost)

Thank you in advance for your time and kindly replies.

[Rogerbutthead]

The purchase of a pump action shotgun is not affected by this law, right?

If I bought a pistol on the 27th of September, I still can go buy a pump action shotgun immediately afterwards - as I read the law - ?

Not sure how gun stores/DOJ are enforcing this rule. Would a semi-auto centerfire shotgun be considered covered by this law or not - ?

[Librarian]

1 - The purchase of a pump action shotgun is not affected by this law, right?

2 - If I bought a pistol on the 27th of September, I still can go buy a pump action shotgun immediately afterwards - as I read the law - ?

3 - Not sure how gun stores/DOJ are enforcing this rule. Would a semi-auto centerfire shotgun be considered covered by this law or not - ?

1 - correct, pump shotguns not covered

2 - yes

3 - no, not in the law, but we have anecdotes here where DOJ is attempting to include shotguns. Enforcement is all DOJ.

[Librarian]

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