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  • gun toting monkeyboy
    Calguns Addict
    • Aug 2008
    • 6820

    The current problem with uncommon ammunition...

    Well, two years into the current ammo shortage, and I have to say it has been a mixed blessing getting some of the uncommon cartridges as a way to "panic-proof" my ability to get ammunition.

    Through the last 15 years or so, it was worthwhile to have an extra gun or two that used an uncommon caliber in case there was a buying panic, and the most common cartridges became unavailable. Things like .45 GAP, 10mm, and .357 Sig managed to stay in stock many places online, even after the 2012 election, Sandyhook, and several other smaller panics that saw 9mm and .40 vanish from shelves for months. Glock 37s were an especially good deal, as they cost about half what a used 9mm Glock went for. And the .45 GAP ammunition was available in both FMJ and Speer Gold Dot for about a dollar more per 50 than similar 9mm ammunition. Far cheaper than .40 S&W. This was mostly due to the fact that many departments had dropped it to go back to 9mm. So there were masses of ammunition sitting in warehouses. Both 10mm and .357 Sig were not really being used by many departments, but there was enough demand for ammunition makers to continue producing regular runs of both of them, keeping the supply up.

    With the plague, the summer of protests, and the run-up to the 2020 election, it looked like another panic similar to the others was hitting. And just as in the other cases, the oddball rounds stayed in stock long after the other rounds were sold out. I was still buying .45 GAP at close to the same price almost a year into everything. And neither 10mm nor .357 Sig completely sold out everywhere. Yay me! I dun good. BUT... Then the panic didn't end. The demand didn't go back down. And there were major disruptions in the supply chain, limiting ammunition production because certain supplies became unobtainable due to high demand. That high demand still remains. And because there is such a demand for more common rounds such as 9mm, the production of many other, less common rounds has been put on hold for the next several years. With the limited production and supplies of loaded ammunition still out there, 10mm looks like it will weather this pretty well. Several of the other rounds aren't quite so lucky. .45 GAP looks like it will be a pretty low priority, as the demand that built up the initial surplus on the market is no longer there. I doubt Speer will be getting to that one for at least another 2 years. .357 Sig is somewhat in the same boat. Other rounds, especially revolver rounds like .32-anything, or .44 Special will also probably be made of unobtainium for the foreseeable future.

    If you were smart enough to stock up on some of these oddballs, you are now faced with the dilemma of what to do. You have a gun or several guns, and potentially enough ammunition to keep them fed for a while. But said ammunition is irreplaceable for the next few years. What do you do? Shoot some of your reserve, to keep your shooting skills up? Or hoard it against a rainy day when you might need it?

    I don't know the answer to this one. I have a Glock 38 on my permit, and enough .45 GAP to keep it fed with JHPs for self defense for a long time. But I am loathe to dip into that reserve for fear of not being able to get it again for a really long time. On the other hand, both 9mm and 10mm are available. Albeit at 2-3 times the price before the plague. Is it worth it to me to spend significantly more for ammunition that I can replace? I am still mulling this over. These days I seem to be sticking to the 9mm, which I can get more of, and simply shooting less. A lot less.
    Originally posted by aplinker
    It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.
  • #2
    ysr_racer
    Banned
    • Mar 2006
    • 12014

    Originally posted by gun toting monkeyboy
    , you are now faced with the dilemma of what to do.

    You have a gun or several guns, and potentially enough ammunition to keep them fed for a while. But said ammunition is irreplaceable for the next few years. What do you do?
    I'll take, "What is reloading" for $200 Alex.

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    • #3
      bruss01
      Calguns Addict
      • Feb 2006
      • 5336

      I have long advocated having *some* guns in uncommon chamberings.

      In times of emergency both law enforcement and military are authorized to commandeer civilian resources to ensure they are able to successfully pursue their mission of maintaining or restoring order.

      While I would expect them to go first to commercial sources, it would probably not be long before civilians were being asked to contribute. With California's ammo purchasing requirements, they probably have a ready list of folks who have bought ammo, and in what calibers.

      They would likely not need .35 Remington and 7.62x25 Tokarev, and even things like .45 ACP would likely be pretty far down on their list.

      And as OP stated, if your primary gun is running low, it's nice to know you have options if the shelves are bare of common calibers in your time of need.
      The one thing worse than defeat is surrender.

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      • #4
        gun toting monkeyboy
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2008
        • 6820

        Originally posted by ysr_racer
        I'll take, "What is reloading" for $200 Alex.
        I reload over 70 calibers right now. That is moot when primers are not available. I mean, yes, I still have a lot of those as well. But not everybody does. Also, many of the more oddball cartridges don't have brass available, so those who didn't stock up before are out of luck.

        -Mb
        Originally posted by aplinker
        It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.

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        • #5
          rromeo
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2009
          • 6981

          I think 357 Sig was available during droughts because it had been an issued cartridge for a lot of federal agencies and other police departments. So while it wasn't exactly popular for the commercial market, the ammo companies still made a lot.
          Never initiate force against another. That should be the underlying principle of your life. But should someone do violence to you, retaliate without hesitation, without reservation, without quarter, until you are sure that he will never wish to harm - or never be capable of harming - you or yours again.

          - from THE SECOND BOOK OF KYFHO
          (Revised Eastern Sect Edition)

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          • #6
            beerman
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2009
            • 5037

            Originally posted by gun toting monkeyboy
            I reload over 70 calibers right now. That is moot when primers are not available. I mean, yes, I still have a lot of those as well. But not everybody does. Also, many of the more oddball cartridges don't have brass available, so those who didn't stock up before are out of luck.

            -Mb

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            • #7
              naz
              Veteran Member
              • Jun 2020
              • 3108

              Originally posted by gun toting monkeyboy
              I reload over 70 calibers right now. That is moot when primers are not available. I mean, yes, I still have a lot of those as well. But not everybody does. Also, many of the more oddball cartridges don't have brass available, so those who didn't stock up before are out of luck.

              -Mb

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              • #8
                plumbum
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2010
                • 5394

                I dunno, I regularly see 10mm on shelves, and if you've got a G20/29/40 then it'll eat .40 as well... I think we know the correct answer

                Would not be able to find .38/.357 to save my life!
                Originally posted by ysr_racer
                Please don't bring logic and reason into an interwebs discussion

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                • #9
                  The Gleam
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 12491

                  Pre Prop 63, thereafter, and through pre-launch of the CA prohibition on mail-order ammo and background (AFS) verification requirements, I stocked up on a hell of a lot of ammo. That was all well before the shamdemic panic. Common stuff and uncommon.

                  And when the scare-tactics kicked in, and various governments were announcing 'shutdowns' (Newsom was 3/16/2020) I 'stocked' up on OLN at several large buys under $10.00, and again in May 2020 around $11.00, and again that August for under $10 again.

                  Sold a bunch at $60, but still hanging on to a bunch more - the situation in Ukraine will likely keep OLN elevated for some time to come.

                  No regrets.

                  ---
                  -----------------------------------------------
                  Originally posted by Librarian
                  What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                  If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                  • #10
                    ysr_racer
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 12014

                    Bullets: $0.09 - $0.11
                    Primers: $0.10 - $0.12
                    Powder: $0.03
                    Brass: $0.06 - $0.09

                    Even on the cheap end, with today's prices you're at $0.28 a round. If you can load it cheaper AT TODAY'S PRICES, please enlighten me.

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                    • #11
                      SilveradoColt21
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Sep 2021
                      • 2440

                      Tell me about it, it's hard to source my favorite caliber 38 Super, almost no LGS have any boxes in stock, that an 500 Magnum.
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                      • #12
                        naz
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jun 2020
                        • 3108

                        Originally posted by ysr_racer
                        Bullets: $0.09 - $0.11
                        Primers: $0.10 - $0.12
                        Powder: $0.03
                        Brass: $0.06 - $0.09

                        Even on the cheap end, with today's prices you're at $0.28 a round. If you can load it cheaper AT TODAY'S PRICES, please enlighten me.
                        I pick up 9mm brass at range or ask my friends for some that they have picked up (ie I use free range pickup brass) , and I use coated bullets or pulled bullets that are $0.06.

                        using the rest of your numbers (which I agree with btw) that takes away $0.09 cost, so $0.19 per round (right in line with my $0.17-$0.25 original estimate). Also, if you buy several cases at a time, $0.09 per primer has been possible in the last few months, and I have found deals on Titegroup locally that results in $0.02 of powder per round. Those extra $0.02 saved get me down to $0.17.

                        If I use a more expensive projectile (like a 147gr pulled projo) or more expensive powder (like n320) that’s what drives cost to $0.25 per round in my original estimate

                        Edit: Here is an example of the $0.06 per projectile pulls I am loading for practice target ammo. Using the 25% off code shown at top of website, it’s $60/k incl tax and ship. As a bonus, AMR sometimes has pulled gold dot and HST projectiles in stock, to make practice defensive rounds and save your $$$ factory hst and gold dot ammo for carry or HD
                        Last edited by naz; 03-29-2022, 7:23 PM.

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                        • #13
                          golfish
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 10117

                          Originally posted by gun toting monkeyboy
                          What do you do? Shoot some of your reserve, to keep your shooting skills up? Or hoard it against a rainy day when you might need it?
                          Good post sir

                          I wouldn't say that I hoard. I did stock up before the laws changed on shipping ammo to my house. A few months later I started reloading. I don't shoot a lot, not as much as I did before covid, even then it was once a week and 9mm, 45acp generally...

                          I've yet to run out of ammo or components.

                          I've been able to get brass (if needed) powder and projectiles. Primers are the one thing that most seem to have problems with. Primers always seem to be the biggest problem, always.


                          If we saw a steady supply of primers for 6-12 months then we might see things settle down...this is just my opinion
                          It takes a lot of balls to play golf the way I do.
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                          • #14
                            HOGDOG1955
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 2401

                            speaking of 32 anything... i just got some 32 hr and r magnum rounds. hard to locate and when all said and done it was 125 bucks for 100 rounds after tax and shipping,ouch.
                            Originally posted by gun toting monkeyboy
                            Well, two years into the current ammo shortage, and I have to say it has been a mixed blessing getting some of the uncommon cartridges as a way to "panic-proof" my ability to get ammunition.

                            Through the last 15 years or so, it was worthwhile to have an extra gun or two that used an uncommon caliber in case there was a buying panic, and the most common cartridges became unavailable. Things like .45 GAP, 10mm, and .357 Sig managed to stay in stock many places online, even after the 2012 election, Sandyhook, and several other smaller panics that saw 9mm and .40 vanish from shelves for months. Glock 37s were an especially good deal, as they cost about half what a used 9mm Glock went for. And the .45 GAP ammunition was available in both FMJ and Speer Gold Dot for about a dollar more per 50 than similar 9mm ammunition. Far cheaper than .40 S&W. This was mostly due to the fact that many departments had dropped it to go back to 9mm. So there were masses of ammunition sitting in warehouses. Both 10mm and .357 Sig were not really being used by many departments, but there was enough demand for ammunition makers to continue producing regular runs of both of them, keeping the supply up.

                            With the plague, the summer of protests, and the run-up to the 2020 election, it looked like another panic similar to the others was hitting. And just as in the other cases, the oddball rounds stayed in stock long after the other rounds were sold out. I was still buying .45 GAP at close to the same price almost a year into everything. And neither 10mm nor .357 Sig completely sold out everywhere. Yay me! I dun good. BUT... Then the panic didn't end. The demand didn't go back down. And there were major disruptions in the supply chain, limiting ammunition production because certain supplies became unobtainable due to high demand. That high demand still remains. And because there is such a demand for more common rounds such as 9mm, the production of many other, less common rounds has been put on hold for the next several years. With the limited production and supplies of loaded ammunition still out there, 10mm looks like it will weather this pretty well. Several of the other rounds aren't quite so lucky. .45 GAP looks like it will be a pretty low priority, as the demand that built up the initial surplus on the market is no longer there. I doubt Speer will be getting to that one for at least another 2 years. .357 Sig is somewhat in the same boat. Other rounds, especially revolver rounds like .32-anything, or .44 Special will also probably be made of unobtainium for the foreseeable future.

                            If you were smart enough to stock up on some of these oddballs, you are now faced with the dilemma of what to do. You have a gun or several guns, and potentially enough ammunition to keep them fed for a while. But said ammunition is irreplaceable for the next few years. What do you do? Shoot some of your reserve, to keep your shooting skills up? Or hoard it against a rainy day when you might need it?

                            I don't know the answer to this one. I have a Glock 38 on my permit, and enough .45 GAP to keep it fed with JHPs for self defense for a long time. But I am loathe to dip into that reserve for fear of not being able to get it again for a really long time. On the other hand, both 9mm and 10mm are available. Albeit at 2-3 times the price before the plague. Is it worth it to me to spend significantly more for ammunition that I can replace? I am still mulling this over. These days I seem to be sticking to the 9mm, which I can get more of, and simply shooting less. A lot less.

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                            • #15
                              DanGunner
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2017
                              • 1208

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