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  • #16
    Tere_Hanges
    Calguns Addict
    • Mar 2013
    • 6249

    Your friend is 100% an idiot. Different 9mm bullet weights have very slight performance differences. It makes no difference in training.

    I prefer 124gr 9mm when they are priced the same as 115gr simply because the heavier load could cycle the gun more reliably. But really there is no difference in reliability. I use both weights all the time, and never had a problem with cycling. I wouldnt own a gun that couldnt cycle any common bullet weight.
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    • #17
      ysr_racer
      Banned
      • Mar 2006
      • 12014

      Typically heavier bullets going slower recoil less than lighter bullets going faster.

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      • #18
        Scotty
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2005
        • 1414

        A guy I know who used to be a sheriff and a competition shooter uses to shoot any ammo he got for free. He would have anything from regular ball ammo to recalled Cor-bon. He just threw all the ammo into a coffee can. The recalled Cor-bon we chrono'd was basically 9mm major. Since they all went into the can, his mags were basically randomly filled. He competed just fine with the random ammo.

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        • #19
          FeuerFrei
          Calguns Addict
          • Aug 2008
          • 7455

          My goat math calculator just spat out the answer.

          "heavy bullet slow. Light bullet fast". Expect changes in POI when switching between the two.

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          • #20
            sigstroker
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2009
            • 18997

            Originally posted by hermosabeach
            115 is also the most produced and cheapest ammo
            That's what I was thinking. Maybe he's just cheap.

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            • #21
              Dr. Peter Venkman
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2006
              • 4899

              Yes. Different POI, different recoil impulse. How much? It depends.
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              • #22
                JTROKS
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Nov 2007
                • 13093

                Well, a 230 grain 45 ACP @ 850 FPS will recoil more than a 115 grain 9mm @ 1250 FPS. A 125 vs 115 grain in 9mm will have a very slight difference in impulse and recoil if both are loaded to same pressure level.
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                • #23
                  hambam105
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 7083

                  When the target is the size of a beach ball at 3 yards bullet weight isn't that important.

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                  • #24
                    Paperchasin
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                    • Oct 2010
                    • 6404

                    Definitely noticeable shooting 115gr vs 147gr 9mm.
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                    • #25
                      SharedShots
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2021
                      • 2277

                      Originally posted by ysr_racer
                      Typically heavier bullets going slower recoil less than lighter bullets going faster.
                      And the question is:

                      Why does a 460 Weatherby Magnum recoils less that a 17 Remington?

                      "Typically heavier bullets going slower recoil less than lighter bullets going faster."

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                      • #26
                        223556
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 3343

                        I’ve always typically find the range ammo in 115g but I’m also not too picky with weight either. Defensive loads I tend to go 147g JHP.
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                        • #27
                          Skip_Dog
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2017
                          • 2656

                          Tell your friend that he can get 90 grain 9mm bullets...

                          II think it all depends on the gun...

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                          • #28
                            sfvshooter
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2016
                            • 1192

                            I've trained with 115gr & 124gr and can't tell the difference. My guess would be if you did a blind test, most people couldn't tell you if they just shot 115gr or 124gr either.

                            Only noticeable difference is with +P.
                            Too many rifles, not enough time...

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                            • #29
                              Corbin Dallas
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                              • May 2006
                              • 5772

                              Originally posted by ShastaCola
                              I went pistol shooting with a friend. We were at an indoor range buying 9mm ammo and when he made his purchase, he was very adamant about the grains of bullets. They must 115g. Then he tells me that when you train to shoot, you have to stay consistent with the type of ammo you shoot with. So all he will shoot is 115g bullets.

                              He asked me what I thought and I said I have never have ever heard of that and I can't tell the difference. I know there is a mental aspect to shooting and if that is what makes him happy, then who am I to argue? As long as it isn't unsafe and do not infringe on my rights and freedom, then do what makes you happy.

                              Is there a noticeable difference in the grains of ammo you shoot for 9mm?

                              Yes, the only acceptable grains is 230g and it should be of a 45ACP variety.

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                              • #30
                                Snoopy47
                                Veteran Member
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 3733

                                Originally posted by ShastaCola
                                Is there a noticeable difference in the grains of ammo you shoot for 9mm?

                                Yes, absolutely.............

                                But let me clarify.

                                When I was racing motorcycles I could tell if the air pressure in the tire was off only by a few pounds.

                                I can also tell when ammo is different.

                                However, I'm a competitive shooter that reloads. I use 115, 124, and 147s. I use fast powders, medium powders and slow burning powders. I also tune the recoil springs to make sure each permutation I'm playing with will function and cycle.

                                There absolutely is a difference.

                                HOWEVER.............. in regard to FACTORY ammo of different bullet weights that difference is nullified by the fact the FACTORY ammo is generally designed to work with just about ANY GUN.

                                So the ENERGY of all different bullet weights in factory ammo is generally the same to make sure it will work in any number of unknown guns it could be used in.

                                It's not until one is using super high power fast velocity defense ammo does it become apparent.

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                                So, that said, if your friend is not a reloader, and is a competitive shooter I can totally see why is has zeroed in on a specific kind of ammo.

                                Otherwise, maybe it would be a fun blind test for you to load up three magazines, and ask him if he can tell which is the 115's.

                                I'd personally trick him, and never load 115's and use 147's in all blind test magazines.
                                Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy.

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