Gift a PCC?

[ConcernedCitizen]

Hi, I recently escaped the gulag, moved from CA to Idaho, and just bought a Freedom Ordnance FX-9 PCC with 4.5" barrel.

My son who still lives in CA just visited and loves this weapon. I understand it's not on the handgun roster in CA, so would like to give him one. Would a father/son transfer of this weapon be legal according to CA law? Does it have to go through an FFL? Any registration needed?

Thanks in advance for your helpful replies.

[Canucky]

Don't think so. All the more reason to move in with dad.

[SkyHawk]

Yes you can. But it MUST have a 10rd fixed mag with a maglock that requires the action to be disassembled to remove the mag.

And it MUST go through a CA FFL.

The maglock is going to be the big problem.

[edgerly779]

^^ FUD If son not idaho resident then must go thru ffl in ca. He can not bring it back.
Interstate intrafamilial transfer.

[Robert1234]

^^ FUD If son not idaho resident then must go thru ffl in ca. He can not bring it back.
Interstate intrafamilial transfer.

That's what he wrote.

[IVC]

That looks like a pistol, not carbine. A carbine of that length would be a problem because it's an SBR. A pistol with the "brace" that is essentially a stock would be a problem in CA because CA DOJ wouldn't consider it a pistol and would consider the brace a stock and the gun an SBR.

If you find an FFL who will transfer it as a pistol, you still have to worry about the legality in CA. With the maglock and removed brace it could work, but overall it seems to be too much risk and too much work to have a highly neutered pistol of that sort in CA.

[BigPimping]

That looks scary and dangerous to the children!!!!

[Quiet]

Gift a PCC?

Hi, I recently escaped the gulag, moved from CA to Idaho, and just bought a Freedom Ordnance FX-9 PCC with 4.5" barrel.

My son who still lives in CA just visited and loves this weapon. I understand it's not on the handgun roster in CA, so would like to give him one. Would a father/son transfer of this weapon be legal according to CA law? Does it have to go through an FFL? Any registration needed?

Thanks in advance for your helpful replies.

Since 1968, Federal laws have prohibited the transfer of firearms between resident of different States unless a FFL is utilized.
~There is no exemption to the Federal laws for intra-familial gifts.
~There is a bequeath/inheritance exemption, but it requires the giver to be deceased and the recipient to be named in the giver's will as the recipient of the firearm.

Failure to utilize a FFL equates to a Federal felony for everyone involved with the transfer.

Therefore, the transfer must be done through a CA FFL dealer.

Under CA laws, because his transfer is an intra-familial gift transfer it qualifies for an exemption that allows CA legal off-Roster handguns to be legally transferred.
Note that not all CA FFL dealers know about or are willing to conduct out-of-state intra-familial gift transfers. So, finding a CA FFL dealer that will do this is crucial and required before bringing that pistol into CA.

In order to be CA legal, the Freedom Ordinance FX9 must be modified so that it has a fixed 10 round magazine that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action. This is because this semi-auto pistol can accept magazines outside of the pistol's grip, which makes it an assault weapon in CA.

Therefore, before that off-Roster pistol is brought to CA, it must be made CA legal by modifying it so that it has a fixed 10 round magazine. After it is made CA legal, it can legally be brought into CA and transferred through a CA FFL dealer. Because of CA SBR/SBS laws (which are stricter than the Federal SBR/SBS laws), the CA FFL dealer doing the transfer may require the arm stabilizing brace to be removed prior to the firearm being brought into CA for transfer through them.

[ConcernedCitizen]

Thanks to all for the helpful replies. I agree that the modifications needed to make it acceptable are too much trouble. I've told my son to find a more acceptable off-roster handgun which would be transferred intra-familially via FFL.

I am so happy I don't live their anymore. I have 33 round mags and could use bigger ones if they existed. In addition, I can carry this gun around with me almost anywhere I go or carry it concealed in my vehicle or on my person without a permit, if concealing it is possible. This weapon is not really practical for carry, but I just wanted to let you know that freedom still exists.

I have heard that the ATF has started sniffing around braces and may complicate matters, even outside of CA.

Thanks again.

[IVC]

Because of CA SBR/SBS laws (which are stricter than the Federal SBR/SBS laws), the CA FFL dealer doing the transfer may require the arm stabilizing brace to be removed prior to the firearm being brought into CA for transfer through them.

The "may require" is a huge understatement. Both FFL and the recipient would be playing with fire if the brace remained, even if the risk of prosecution in some parts of the state are relatively low.

*Disclaimer: I have nothing against people pushing the legal limit and it's not up to me to tell anyone what to do, I just like to warn those who are less familiar with the details of the AWB about the potential risks, so they are at least aware of the risks they are taking and can make a sound decision for themselves.