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  • #16
    smokingloon
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 1012

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    # 12088.1. (a) All firearms sold or transferred in this state by a licensed firearms dealer, including private transfers through a dealer, and all firearms manufactured in this state, shall include or be accompanied by a firearms safety device that is listed on the Department of Justice's roster of approved firearms safety devices and that is identified as appropriate for that firearm by reference to either the manufacturer and model of the firearm, or to the physical characteristics of the firearm that match those listed on the roster for use with the device. (b) All firearms sold or transferred in this state by a licensed firearms dealer, including private transfers through a dealer, and all firearms manufactured in this state shall be accompanied with warning language or labels as described in Section 12088.3. (c)(1) All long-gun safes commercially sold or transferred in this state, or manufactured in this state for sale in this state, that do not meet the standards for gun safes adopted pursuant to Section 12088.2 shall be accompanied by the following warning:

    "WARNING: This gun safe does not meet the safety standards for gun safes specified in California Penal Code Section 12088.2. It does not satisfy the requirements of Penal Code Section 12088.1, which mandates that all firearms sold in California be accompanied by a firearms safety device or proof of ownership, as required by law, of a gun safe that meets the Section 12088.2 minimum safety standards developed by the California Attorney General."
    (2) This warning shall be conspicuously displayed in its entirety on the principal display panel of the gun safe's package, on any descriptive materials that accompany the gun safe, and on a label affixed to the front of the gun safe. (3) This warning shall be displayed in both English and Spanish in conspicuous and legible type in contrast by typography, layout, or color with other printed matter on the package or descriptive materials in a manner consistent with Part 1500.121 of Title 16 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or successor regulations thereto. (d) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from subdivision (a) if both of the following apply: (1) The purchaser or transferee owns a gun safe that meets the standards set forth in Section 12088.2. Gun safes shall not be required to be tested, and therefore may meet the standards without appearing on the Department of Justice roster. (2) The purchaser or transferee presents an original receipt for purchase of the gun safe, or other proof of purchase or ownership of the gun safe as authorized by the Attorney General, to the firearms dealer. The dealer shall maintain a copy of this receipt or proof of purchase with the dealers' record of sales of firearms. (e) The sale or transfer of a firearm shall be exempt from subdivision (a) if all of the following apply: (1) The purchaser or transferee purchases an approved safety device no more than 30 days prior to the day the purchaser or transferee takes possession of the firearm.



    Is this not it?

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    • #17
      ke6guj
      Moderator
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Nov 2003
      • 23725

      Originally posted by smokingloon
      Is this not it?
      Is this what?
      Jack



      Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

      No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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      • #18
        bombadillo
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2007
        • 14810

        Do the project childsafe locks work for what they're looking for??

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        • #19
          ke6guj
          Moderator
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Nov 2003
          • 23725

          Originally posted by bombadillo
          Do the project childsafe locks work for what they're looking for??
          who are you referring to in the "what they're looking for?", CA or feds? I'd assume that it would meet the federal safety device requirements. For CA, it would depend if the that model was listed in the Roster of Approved Firearms Safety Devices. And if you provided it to the FFL, it would need to be accompanied with a receipt less than 30 days old, something many places that give them away are unwilling to do.
          Jack



          Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

          No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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          • #20
            NotSoFast
            Member
            • May 2008
            • 380

            When I sold my Glock, I put the lock that came with it inm the box. Saved the purchaser from having to buy one.

            Also, I think the law reads you can provide your own if you have proof you bought the lock within 30 days on the purchase of a new gun. Don't quote me on that though. Do your own research to make sure.

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            • #21
              josh_crosson
              Junior Member
              • Jun 2009
              • 79

              when i called BullsEye in san rafael he said for the private party transfer they charge $35 for the transfer and will sell me a lock for $.01 im not sure if they do it for everyone or if i was jusat lucky. great deal if you ask me.

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              • #22
                ck867
                Banned
                • Nov 2008
                • 1235

                Originally posted by Shane916
                In regards to a handgun PPT transfer, Kimber to be exact.

                The firearm has the CA DOJ approved Kimber lock with the firearm.

                The FFL forces the buyer to purchase a new gun lock from their store saying that the law requires the buyer to purchase a new lock.

                I'll reserve by thoughts on this...What are your thoughts?
                you mind telling us the shop that is doing this?

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                • #23
                  Riodog
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 1127

                  Originally posted by Oldnoob
                  The three turner's I've been to (west covina, corona and pasadena) they all do the same (charge the lock at the same time with either PPT or DROS if you buy their gun). This way, you CANNOT get a refund on the lock if you bring it back. And they will not accept gun safe affidavit neither.
                  While I agree that Turners has some goofy (untrained) people working there I don't think spreading FUD about one of the last large firearms retailers in California is doing any one a service.
                  I've bought 3 Smiths from them (Corona) in the last 6 months and have not been charged for any locks.
                  The only thing on the receipt is "OEM lock R15SC". No charge.

                  If there is not a lock included from the manufacturer when you go to purchase said weapon, hand them one of the many 'approved' locks you have laying around and ask them if they'll kindly include this lock when they dros the weapon->NO CHARGE. If they refuse->>>>take your business elsewhere and tell them why. It doesn't have to be confrontational and if they want the business they'll work with you.
                  Rio

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                  • #24
                    Scratch705
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • May 2009
                    • 12530

                    Originally posted by Oldnoob
                    The three turner's I've been to (west covina, corona and pasadena) they all do the same (charge the lock at the same time with either PPT or DROS if you buy their gun). This way, you CANNOT get a refund on the lock if you bring it back. And they will not accept gun safe affidavit neither.
                    weird that you had a bad experience with the turner's in west covina? i just did a PPT there on the 19th, and when the employee asked if there was a lock, seller showed him the factory lock that the gun came with and he accepted it.
                    Originally posted by leelaw
                    Because -ohmigosh- they can add their opinions, too?
                    Originally posted by SoCalSig1911
                    Preppers canceled my order this afternoon because I called them a disgrace... Not ordering from those clowns again.
                    Originally posted by PrepperGunShop
                    Truthfully, we cancelled your order because of your lack of civility and your threats ... What is a problem is when you threaten my customer service team and make demands instead of being civil. Plain and simple just don't be an a**hole (where you told us to shove it).

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