PPT Charges

[Aircraftman]

Hello everyone and Happy Father's Day

I have a question I'm hoping someone can answer.

Over the last 12 months I've purchased 6 handguns off of Calguns. I've used 6 different gun shops all over the state for PPT and all have charged what I thought was the standard $35 fee.

Yesterday upon completing deal #6 after all paperwork was completed and cash had been handed over to the seller, the gun shop clerk handed me a bill for $100. When I questioned the amount she told me $35 was for DOS (???) and $70 was for registration fees. When I told her that added up to $105 she told me I was getting a discount (What?????????).

I told her, very nicely, that was wrong and wanted to speak to manager/owner. A older gentlemen then came out and said yes the PPT was $35 but the $70 was his fee for filling out and submitting the paperwork to DOJ.

I paid the bill (not wanted to make a scene and scuttle the deal) but not very happy over the turn of events.

I see this two ways:

1. Its his shop and he can charge anything he wants for doing a PPT. Shame on me for not checking before we started the process (a mistake I will not make again)

2. The state sets the PPT fee and shops are not allowed to charge extra therefore this guy ripped me off.

Please advise and if appropriate I will identify the shop so other Calguns will not get find themselves in the same predicament.

Thanks

[Shane916]

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php#9

I want to sell a gun to another person, i.e., a private party transfer. Am I required to conduct the transaction through a licensed California firearms dealer?

Yes. Firearm sales must be conducted through a fully licensed California firearms dealer. Failure to do so is a violation of California law. The buyer (and seller, in the event that the; buyer is denied), must meet the normal firearm purchase and delivery requirements. "Antique firearms," as defined in Section 921(a)(16) of Title 18 of the United States Code, and curio or relic rifles/shotguns, defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations that are over 50 years old, are exempt from this requirement.

Firearms dealers are required to process private party transfers upon request. Firearms dealers may charge a fee not to exceed $10 per firearm for conducting a private party transfer. Example:

1. For a private party transfer involving one or more handguns, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $35.00 for the first handgun and $31.00 for each additional handgun involved in the same transaction.
2. For private party transfers involving one or more long guns, or a private party transfer involving one handgun, the total allowable fees, including the DROS, safety, and dealer transfer fees, are not to exceed $35.00. The dealer may charge an additional dealer-service fee of$10.00 per each additional firearm transferred.

(PC section 12072(d))

[Joe]

What he did was illegal. There was a thread recently where a guy contacted the DOJ and was given a refund by the shop. Bring in the law when you go to pick up your handgun and show them what they're doing is illegal. If they refuse to give you your money back, contact the DOJ.

[Casual Observer]

Please advise and if appropriate I will identify the shop so other Calguns will not get find themselves in the same predicament.

Thanks

It is appropriate. Please let us know who it is.

On a personal level, I agree with the owner in some ways. The time and effort it takes for a PPT is definitely worth more than the $10.

At the same time, the law says we only get $10.

[The SoCal Gunner]

The time and effort it takes for a PPT is definitely worth more than the $10.

At the same time, the law says we only get $10.

Worth more than $10 probably but not $70. I've been to shops that have completed the work in 10 mins. Then there are those that take half an hour to an hour.

If you demand for the refund, which I would do but I really would have left and gone somewhere else, make sure you already picked up the gun and put it in your trunk.

ETA: Just to be sure, the seller didn't send the gun to your FFL did he? Name the shop please.

[MiguelS]

How about some legislation to change the fee to $25 for them.

I just did a transfer and thought $10 was nothing.

That is some legislation that makes sense.

[Shane916]

ETA: Just to be sure, the seller didn't send the gun to your FFL did he?

+1. Did you met the seller at the store for the transfer or was the gun shipped to the dealer?

[MiguelS]

+1. Did you met the seller at the store for the transfer or was the gun shipped to the dealer?

Yesterday upon completing deal #6 after all paperwork was completed and cash had been handed over to the seller

Sounds like the seller was present.

[ke6guj]

How about some legislation to change the fee to $25 for them.

I just did a transfer and thought $10 was nothing.

That is some legislation that makes sense.

how bout some legislation to remove the requirement that we even need to do a PPT at a dealer? That would make more sense.

[MiguelS]

how bout some legislation to remove the requirement that we even need to do a PPT at a dealer? That would make more sense.

I wouldn't trust just anyone from the street.

[Shane916]

I wouldn't trust just anyone from the street.

I would Almost every state has no requirement for PPT's at dealers.

[Aircraftman]

Thank you everyone for the great info.

I pick the gun up on June 30. Once the gun is in the car, I will start this discussion with them.

I will update the thread on the outcome and ID the gun shop at that point.

Hopefully I will have a happy ending to my story.

Best regards....

[scootergmc]

I'd name the shop now. If this is your most recent purchase on this forum, the shop is probably in the North Bay. There could be a member/employee on this forum who could assist you in the meantime. You really need to raise the issue immediately.

[Casual Observer]

Worth more than $10 probably but not $70. I've been to shops that have completed the work in 10 mins. Then there are those that take half an hour to an hour.

If you demand for the refund, which I would do but I really would have left and gone somewhere else, make sure you already picked up the gun and put it in your trunk.

ETA: Just to be sure, the seller didn't send the gun to your FFL did he? Name the shop please.

I agree. $70 is a little steep.

The paperwork is nothing. Most of the time, people who do PPT's here are in and out in 15 minutes provided they bring all their documentation with them. But there's also getting the weapon into the disposition, storage in the safe (space in which has been at a premium lately), and then reversing the process 10 days later with checking the weapon out.

[hawk1]

How about some legislation to change the fee to $25 for them.

I just did a transfer and thought $10 was nothing.

That is some legislation that makes sense.

How about you just give the guy more money on your own and not worry about 'legislation'.

Part of the benefits of being allowed to sell guns in California is that they must do PPT's at the mandated rate.