AR Pistols

[TopshotIDF]

I was selling my California compliant Gunfighter Tactical AR pistol (with Juggernaut hellfighter) and during that time I got so many people asking me this one question:

"Is this a registered Semi Auto Pistol or a Single Shot Pistol?"

I even had one guy post that this is not a semi auto pistol that he is friends with he owner of Gunfighter and they sell these as single shot exemptions.

Pistol are registered as pistol there is no single shot registration or semi auto pistol registration. Now if this was a registered AW I would have to make it California compliant. I even asked asked the owner of Gunfighter and he made the strangest face as where did you hear this? After explaining he said it registered as a pistol and I don't know where people on Cal Gun come up with these things.

When you purchase a single shot pistol you take it home and convert it to semi auto there is no registration.

So where are people coming up whit this and why the hell did they craping on my thread and ruing the sale?

And yes the psitol did sell.

[Quiet]

The CA DROS system and CFARS reports handguns as:

1. Firearm Type:
A. Pistol.
B. Rifle.
C. Shotgun.

2. Category:
A. 4 or more barrels.
B. Bolt-action.
C. Double barrel.
D. Lever-action.
E. Pump-action.
F. Revolver.
G. Semi-automatic.
H. Single-shot.
I. Triple barrel.

This causes handguns that are made and transferred as dimensionally compliant bolt-action/break-open single-shot pistols to be reported as "pistol, single-shot" and recorded into AFS (CA firearm registration database) as such.

In 11-2018, CA DOJ determined that modifying a dimensionally compliant bolt-action/break-open single-shot pistol into another category of pistol is considered manufacturing a "new" illegal unsafe handgun.

In the past, CA DOJ has stated that if a firearm is successfully transferred, that does not mean the firearm is technically legal and that relying on a firearm being transferred as a means to determine it's legality should not be utilized.
^CA Courts have upheld this. All the transfer process does is determine if the person acquiring the firearm is legal to do so and it does not determine if the firearm itself is legal.

[TopshotIDF]

wow a lots changed then since I worked at a gun shop back in 2015

[Quiet]

wow a lots changed then since I worked at a gun shop back in 2015

CA laws have changed several times since 2015.

[SkyHawk]

The only AR pistol I would ever consider buying is one that was originally DROS'd COMPLETE (not frame-only) and SEMI-AUTO

The DROS for such a pistol should look like this




TYPE: HANDGUN
FRAME/RECEIVER ONLY: NO
CATEGORY: SEMI-AUTOMATIC

[SkyHawk]

wow a lots changed then since I worked at a gun shop back in 2015

I have handgun DROS from before 2015 that are SINGLE SHOT or SEMI AUTO

[TopshotIDF]

everyone I know that purchased as single shot converted it semi auto. Has anyone been arrested and prosecuted for that?

[SkyHawk]

everyone I know that purchased as single shot converted it semi auto. Has anyone been arrested and prosecuted for that?

We cannot know of all arrests and prosecutions - there is no centralized database for that information that mere mortals have access to. What we do know is that DOJ is telling people in writing it may be considered a crime.

[ar15barrels]

everyone I know that purchased as single shot converted it semi auto.
Has anyone been arrested and prosecuted for that?

How many people do you know that have jaywalked?
How many people do you know that have been convicted of jaywalking?

The arrest and conviction rates for jaywalking are probably higher than the arrest and conviction rates for manufacturing an unsafe handgun.

[static2126]

It is fine. It is one of those written but not really enforced

[Harry Ono]

We cannot know of all arrests and prosecutions - there is no centralized database for that information that mere mortals have access to. What we do know is that DOJ is telling people in writing it may be considered a crime.

One would expect the DOJ to be using much stronger words than... 'may be" ... if they truly knew the law !

[sbo80]

everyone I know that purchased as single shot converted it semi auto.

Yes, lots of people did this, before the law changed. Historically lots of threads discussing SSE sales. But things change. You may not have noticed that there aren't shops doing SSE conversions anymore, because the law changed. If you really worked at a gun shop you would have seen DROS forms, and know that they do in fact state the action type. Even before 2015 that was true. The "can't convert" law is newer, but it's a simple, valid question people were asking.

[TopshotIDF]

actually there are shops doing single shot exception if you know where to look. I think people ask this because they are misinformed and paranoid. people who know don't need to ask

[ar15barrels]

actually there are shops doing single shot exception if you know where to look.
I think people ask this because they are misinformed and paranoid. people who know don't need to ask

It's legal for a licensed 07 manufacturer to make a single shot pistol from a stripped reciever which has never been assembled as a pistol.
Any 07 manufacturer can do it and mark it with their information and then transfer it to a buyer.
The issue is only that it's illegal to assemble a single shot reciever into an unsafe handgun.
The only LEGAL use for such a single shot pistol is to keep it as a single shot pistol.

That does not stop people from doing it, just like jaywalking ordinances don't stop jawwalkers.