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  • Mr. Blue
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2019
    • 2520

    Buyer Beware: Sight Unseen



    EDIT: this picture is not the issue. I think many of you got confused and didn’t bother to read.

    *Rock Island Auction
    A few weeks ago I purchased this Dan Wesson Classic Commander from a well known auction company. Before bidding, I called and spoke to an associate about the 90-94% condition. He said said he had seen the gun, and it was in mint condition. Near perfect. That was a big relief for me as I wanted the gun, especially at the price I could get it for.

    After receiving the gun, I noticed some rust on the slide. No big deal, I can take that off. Then rust on the interior of the gun. Patches of it everywhere. Behind the grips it looks pretty bad. They told me that wasn’t rust tho? Also, there was an idiot scratch on the frame. Not deep enough to be easily seen from all angles. But deep enough for me to notice the gun wasn’t in mint condition, as I was told. Before searching for more rust and issues I took it to the range to shoot. It shot amazing, it really was extremely accurate and had far less muzzle flip than I had anticipated. Still a bit annoyed that I bought the gun thinking it was mint. I decided to sleep on it a few nights before contacting the auction company. At which point, I did call.

    I explained everything to them and was given the cold shoulder for a couple days. I then got in touch with a manager and she explained to me that all of the rust issues and scratches are consistent with the 90-94% rating. She mentioned that they do not take guns apart for auctions. Which I understand, as they sometimes auction off over 1000 guns in a single day. I then mentioned that a gentlemen I had spoken to prior told me it was mint. She looked into it and came back and told me the guy I was speaking to was brand new. Therefore, they will not be held liable for a simple mistake that the new employee made. I didn’t contest this too much because I didn’t want to get the guy in trouble. I did however send pictures and ask that they come up with something to help me out. Anything.

    I wasn’t expecting much, but was hoping they’d give me enough of a discount to get some new sights, as the night sights were almost dim. They gave me two options. A refund of $100 and keep the gun, or a full refund of the gun. I slept on this as well and decided to send the gun back. The trigger was super loose, it needed sights and the finish was pitted in a few spots. I also didn’t know enough about rust to know if it could be a progressive problem.

    In summary, the reason I’m not mentioning this auction company is because they went above and beyond to make things right. Also, I believe that I am 85% responsible for what happened, as I was buying a 13 year old 1911 sight unseen. Regardless of what some guy says about the gun, I should have known that I could be getting anything, at least on the inside. So if you are going to buy a used gun sight unseen, I recommend that its not something you plan on babying. But rather a work horse.

    I lucked out on this one, but I think I’d rather have a black 1911, like a V-Bob.

    They mentioned the discoloration on the grips is not rust. What could it be?
    Last edited by Mr. Blue; 12-29-2020, 3:45 PM.
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  • #2
    vmwerks
    Norcal Cyclist
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jun 2009
    • 3502

    If they did you right then let us know who they are... everyone makes mistakes. They handled it to your satisfaction, they deserve the positive feedback.

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    • #3
      omega
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2005
      • 3111

      looks like the residue from old tape that the previous owner may have added to make the grips have a better fit?

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      • #4
        2761377
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2013
        • 2124

        the first name of the woman is Sherell, I bet. Definitely the person to talk to there.

        you're correct- sight unseen auction is a crapshoot.
        MAGA

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        • #5
          five.five-six
          CGN Contributor
          • May 2006
          • 34925

          I guess I look at guns completely differently.


          How does it shoot?

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          • #6
            five.five-six
            CGN Contributor
            • May 2006
            • 34925

            Originally posted by Mr. Blue

            They mentioned the discoloration on the grips is not rust. What could it be?

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            • #7
              The War Wagon
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Apr 2011
              • 10294

              Cheap-azz Chinese rubber grips melted on the frame over the years. Had it happen to a SA Mil-Spec of mine, that I ended up cerakoting.

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              • #8
                zinfull
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Aug 2006
                • 2733

                Sorry but auctions are a hit or miss at times. Your description does not match mint, but does seem in the 90%. The only problem I have is with the op. You shot the gun then returned it to the seller. If it was so bad that you might not keep the gun you should have never taken it to the range. I bet you did not rely this information to the auction house.

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                • #9
                  deephouse
                  Veteran Member
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 3858

                  turned into a fun project I suppose.

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                  • #10
                    PaperTarget
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 786

                    OP. Thanks for posting your experience. It was not examined well enough to be graded correctly.

                    The translucent residue on the top near the slide looks like shellac. Either redistributed wood finish from the grips as if they used the wrong solvent that got behind the grips. Or it could be old wd40 type oil build up.

                    The yellow colored foreign material at the bottom of the grip appears like paper residue but it is too difficult to guess what that is from the photo.

                    There are some lessons here. Including avoid using too much solvent or oil and to every now and then, remove the grips to clean.

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                    • #11
                      Spyder
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 17254

                      From what I read and see, I wouldn't hold the auction company responsible for anything. Buying based on photos is sometimes a crapshoot. You said the gun shoots well and you're happy with the performance. Keep it and make it your own, by cleaning up the discoloration (doesn't appear to be rust to me) and setting it up how you want. The hassle and time you'll spend with dealing with sending it back will cost you more than the hundred bucks they offered (which was more than reasonable, in my opinion), and if you send it back, you're still out shipping and state fees and dealer fees.

                      Keep it and enjoy it, or sell it local and buy what you want.

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                      • #12
                        mikeyr
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 1554

                        I didn't see any rust in the OP's pic and it looks like a stainless gun so the idiot scratch can easily be cleaned up. That crap under the grips looks like many of my guns after a few decades of shooting. If it shot well, its a keeper.
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                        • #13
                          OCEquestrian
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jun 2017
                          • 6905

                          Originally posted by vmwerks
                          If they did you right then let us know who they are... everyone makes mistakes. They handled it to your satisfaction, they deserve the positive feedback.
                          "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue." ----Sen. Barry Goldwater

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                          • #14
                            Barang
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Aug 2013
                            • 13337

                            "They gave me two options. A refund of $100 and keep the gun, or a full refund of the gun."

                            they are in my book.

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                            • #15
                              naz
                              Veteran Member
                              • Jun 2020
                              • 3108

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