Review: Wilson Combat EDC X9S vs Sig Sauer P365

[ls2monaro]

Cliff notes: Unless you have $2000+ extra of expendable income and are already well trained with a handgun, get the P365.

Background: I've carried this P365 for a few years and it has been my go to ccw gun. 10+1 9mm in the gun and a 15 round magazine for a reload has fulfilled what I want in a ccw gun.

I recently got the wilson combat edc x9s and ran 500 rounds through it with zero malfunctions.

I have very average size hands (most medium gloves fit very tight and large fit a little loose) and both these guns fit fine for a day of shooting with the larger magazines. The flush fit magazines leave the pinky hanging which doesn't bother me much accuracy wise but does slow down my splits a bit when I get on the gas.

Size: Both are very similar in size. The wilson combat is a tad bit larger and heavier which I appreciated at the range and didn't really bother me in conceal carry situations including all day in a car with appendix carry.

I opted for a red dot on my wilson combat. Optics on handguns are personal preference and need to be trained to get all the benefits. That is a whole other thread but what I tell everyone is if I knew I was going to get in a gunfight I would pick an optic mounted handgun versus iron sights 100% no doubt about it.

Magazines: Both have a 10 round flush fit magazine and a 15 round extended magazine. They both fit and work well. The sig magazines are harder to load rounds and harder to load into the gun. Wilson combat is much easier and smoother for mag changes.

Accuracy: Both are very accurate. The Wilson shoots tighter groups at long distance. For defensive purposes I can hit man size targets at 50 yards 10/10 times without much fuss with either gun.

At 100 yards the wilson outshines the sig. A lot of this has to with the trigger, match barrel, and red dot sight. I think 100 yards is towards the end of the 9mm effective spectrum and I hardly ever shoot handguns at that distance.

Conclusion:

The sig p365 is the best reasonably priced ccw gun on the market. They really knocked it out the park with a small, reliable, and accurate handgun.

I ordered my wilson combat from wilson combat directly. Their customer service is the best I've encountered in the gun industry. The quality of the edc x9s is far beyond the p365. I'd rate it as nicer than my sti stacatto as well.

The fit and finish, safety, trigger, and endless amount of customization is something that makes you realize why they charge what they charge. The problem is when sig wants $500 for their 365 and wilson wants $2500 for their x9s it becomes harder to justify.

I make decent money and appreciate quality firearms so I didn't mind paying. If it was a novice shooter I'd recommend the p365 and spending the extra money in ammo and training.

I'll still carry both guns but chances are wilson combat will be keeping me company most of the time.

Edit: added some pics but took out the embed due to them being the size of a kitchen table for some reason

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15 round magazine on the sig extends a little longer than the wilson combat

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Leupold delta point pro never gets enough love, I like it better than the trijicon stuff for handguns

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Hard to see but the red dot is lined up on the front sight for an absolute cowitness

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[stormvet]

I'm not seeing the benefits over a G19. Especially when comparing how much more regular California citizens would have to pay vs gov't employees who are roster exempt.

If you look at what well-trained federal gov't employees carry, they aren't these guns. Whether they're Navy SEALs, US Secret Service, Federal Air Marshals or FBI agents, a regular ol' G19 is still the go-to for a concealable handgun.

Maybe shoot a Bill Drill, FAST test, Baer Standards drill, etc, and compare your scores and times between the two as opposed to slow fire 50 yard shots on a full size silhouette to determine shootability between the two. If you're stuck with 50 yard shooting, the standard is the A zone on an IPSC target at 50 yards, not the whole silhouette. An A zone is a 6x11 rectangle, you can take a piece of regular printer paper and fold it over 2.5" next time.

He’s reviewing two sub-compact carry guns, Glock 19 is not a sub-compact. Glock 43, 43x would be a much better comparison. But last I checked high speed federal agents aren’t carrying them either.

[stormvet]

Well considering the OP is people in LE and I’m retired people used to be in LE and still carry a gun on duty in my part time retirement job, I think we got a little clue. Maybe not as much as an expert like you, but I think we are ok.

But nice thread derailment.

[igs]

If you look at what well-trained federal gov't employees carry, they aren't these guns.

Micro guns are nothing more than a fashion statement like smallswords were in the 18th century. No one that actually plans to use it will carry it.

[stormvet]

Sorry I played a part in the derailment, back to the thread.

Haven’t shot a 365, probably the closest thing to it was a compact 320. Likewise with the X9s, but I have had a lot of trigger time on the regular X9(buddy owns one)one hell of a sweet running handgun.

Heavily invested and trained with the Glock platform, carry a 48 the 15 round Shield Arms mag’s are a God send or a 43(hoping for SA to make 10 round mags for it)the majority of the time when not working.

Like you I would have no problem carrying the Wilson, that’s what it’s made for. One of these days I plan on getting a regular X9. They are just fantastic guns.

As far as optics on a handgun, I just don’t have enough time training with them to feel comfortable with them on my carry guns. I absolutely see the advantage of it, but I’m not there and really don’t know if I’ll put the time in to be there. Currently only have optics on one full size gun and it wasn’t love at first sight(pun intended), really may never be. Ha ha probably good old irons for life for me.

[ls2monaro]

I'm not seeing the benefits over a G19. Especially when comparing how much more regular California citizens would have to pay vs gov't employees who are roster exempt.

If you look at what well-trained federal gov't employees carry, they aren't these guns. Whether they're Navy SEALs, US Secret Service, Federal Air Marshals or FBI agents, a regular ol' G19 is still the go-to for a concealable handgun.

Maybe shoot a Bill Drill, FAST test, Baer Standards drill, etc, and compare your scores and times between the two as opposed to slow fire 50 yard shots on a full size silhouette to determine shootability between the two. If you're stuck with 50 yard shooting, the standard is the A zone on an IPSC target at 50 yards, not the whole silhouette. An A zone is a 6x11 rectangle, you can take a piece of regular printer paper and fold it over 2.5" next time.

Glock 19 is a great handgun and what I recommend every new shooter buy as their first handgun.

I can bang out a sub 2 second bill drill with my sti stacatto at 7 yards pretty consistently. sig p365 and wilson edc x9s I am usually in the 2.5 second average range. I think I can the wilson to sub 2 second range after I get more time on the gun and step on the gas more.

I am not a competition shooter and train more in a combat/tactical setting.

[ls2monaro]

It took me a few thousand repetitions from holster to presentation to sight acquisition to rewire my brain to look for the dot rather than the irons. I'd be constantly "fishing" around the window for the dot. Once I got the repetitions behind the gun, it became faster than irons. Now I just look at what I want to shoot, point my gun at it, and the dot appears with no sight alignment needed.

[BigPimping]

I think flushing your money down the porcelain facility would be up more effective way to use cash. Just buy Glock. Reliable, cost effective, easy to work on.

[igs]

It took me a few thousand repetitions from holster to presentation to sight acquisition to rewire my brain to look for the dot rather than the irons. I'd be constantly "fishing" around the window for the dot. Once I got the repetitions behind the gun, it became faster than irons. Now I just look at what I want to shoot, point my gun at it, and the dot appears with no sight alignment needed.

How does that work when you have to shoot in a real world situation where you may not be standing perfectly straight, or standing at all, with your arms and head in a perfect alignment, good luck fishing for that dot again when the bad guy or guys blasts you.

[9mmContagion]

How does that work when you have to shoot in a real world situation where you may not be standing perfectly straight, or standing at all, with your arms and head in a perfect alignment, good luck fishing for that dot again when the bad guy or guys blasts you.

[igs]

If I knew the answer I wouldn't be asking!

[JC2020]

How does that work when you have to shoot in a real world situation where you may not be standing perfectly straight, or standing at all, with your arms and head in a perfect alignment, good luck fishing for that dot again when the bad guy or guys blasts you.

[Mr. Blue]

Move aside everyone, I have over 19 years experience in first person shooter games, 7 years of laser tag and I’ve seen almost every die hard movie. The tacticoolest person in the room always yells the loudest, so here goes!

[ls2monaro]

How does that work when you have to shoot in a real world situation where you may not be standing perfectly straight, or standing at all, with your arms and head in a perfect alignment, good luck fishing for that dot again when the bad guy or guys blasts you.

Iron sights are tried and true im not here to change your mind.what works for me might not work for you. Tactics and gear can be argued until the end of time.

I've actually been involved in deadly use of force situations and let me tell you it was never a perfect shooting stance at a range punching paper targets.

The dynamic of combat can't be replicated but training hard and mastering your weapon systems does set you up for success.

[ls2monaro]

I think flushing your money down the porcelain facility would be up more effective way to use cash. Just buy Glock. Reliable, cost effective, easy to work on.

I've got over a dozen glocks already, they are too boring. They remind me of those kind of people that buy and drive honda civics because they are good commuter cars.

I'm more of a porsche 911 kind of guy. Give me that overpriced complicated German engineering any day of the week over the appliance mobiles.