365XL red dot.

[JR18]

Just picked up a Sig 365XL today and want to throw a red dot on it. For the guys that have one, what are you guys running on it? Iv heard so so things about the sig optic and not sure if the RMR will fit on it. Seems from what Iv read whatever optic can fit on you need to get the mounting plate/screws from sig directly? Thank you guys in advance.

[waygeekierthanu]

2a zone has Romeo zeros in stock, that's what you want

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[SarcoBlaster]

not sure if the RMR will fit on it.

Not without an adapter plate. The Romeo Zero will mount directly onto the slide.

[1G75]

Tried both....winner Holosun 407K.

[JR18]

2a zone has Romeo zeros in stock, that's what you want

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Kinda debating the Romeo. My buddy already had to send his in to sig to get replaced for stripped windage screws. Kinda eyeballing the RMRcc and holosun 507.

[JR18]

Tried both....winner Holosun 407K.

[fmunk]

Kinda debating the Romeo. My buddy already had to send his in to sig to get replaced for stripped windage screws. Kinda eyeballing the RMRcc and holosun 507.

Mass produced product. **** happens and it happens to every single brand. The difference between the brands, is how well they stand true to their warranties. 8 to 10 years ago Sig did not have a good reputation in this respect. But they are now among the best, with regards to customer service.

[Gun Kraft]

Both the Holosun 407K (6 MOA dot only) or 507K (2 MOA dot/32 MOA reticule) have the same footprint and fit the 365XL directly w/o a plate. Holosun recently came out an an X2 version of their red dots in response to the Trijicon lawsuit. Other than button size and placement no real difference.

[fmunk]

Both the Holosun 407K (6 MOA dot only) or 507K (2 MOA dot/32 MOA reticule) have the same footprint and fit the 365XL directly w/o a plate. Holosun recently came out an an X2 version of their red dots in response to the Trijicon lawsuit. Other than button size and placement no real difference.

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[SouthCityShooter]

This is trend I truly do not understand. I absolutely understand wanting a small, safe CCW to carry with one in the pipe. With ya' there.

But to the go and put an RDS, on your tiny CCW? Why?!

CCW's are typically used at ranges out to about 25'. We all hope we never have to our CCW's. But if you ever do need to use that CCW, statistically that encounter will occur at three to five yard range. That encounter will last three to five seconds and involve three to five rounds being fired.

In most places outside of your home, if you need an RDS to line up a shot, you are likely at a sufficient distance to have a legal duty to flee whatever that incident is.

More importantly, RDS's allow rookies to learn & engrain all sorts of crappy basic mechanics. But that(!) is not the conversation at hand.

I'll never understand putting an RDS on some tiny CCW. It makes that tiny CCW less concealable. It adds a big thing to snag it on if you're needing to draw it in a hurry.

New shooters, learn the basic mechanics of the draw stroke and coming up onto a target. Learn to do that safely and consistently. Practice that using the sights on whatever your choice of CCW is. Do that literally thousands of times. New shooters using RDS's allows people to do an awful lot of things wrong. They allow you to acquire a lot of sloppy, bad shooting habits. Habits that will not serve you well if, and we all hope it never does, that moment comes you need to use that CCW.

If you train with and learn to shoot your CCW using the sights on the gun, you can then do so with an RDS. I'm here to assure you, in most cases, the reverse is not true.

[SouthCityShooter]

That, and those Holosuns are mighty flimsy. I would not train with one and bet my life on one. By all means, buy a Holosun and support the chicom economy rather than paying a few bucks more to support American manufacturing (& workers you all claim to value and want to support) for an American made product that Holosun has been sued for knocking off.

[1G75]

The first Romeo Zero had issues, just like the first 407/507Ks. But the 407k I own has not failed yet to this date after a few thousand rounds. I think they are well built at a good price point.

I'm not a fan of Trijicons due to the bottom load configuration of the RMR. I like the SRO, but will not pay that kind of money unless I'm putting it on a CZ race gun.

You can talk to a lot of people about RDS, but you need to focus on objective opinions since different people have different hang ups. At the end of the day, stock availability and price will likely be the major deal breaker.

GLW your search....I'm sure you will end up with more than one!

[Erion929]

This is trend I truly do not understand. I absolutely understand wanting a small, safe CCW to carry with one in the pipe. With ya' there.

But to the go and put an RDS, on your tiny CCW? Why?!

CCW's are typically used at ranges out to about 25'. We all hope we never have to our CCW's. But if you ever do need to use that CCW, statistically that encounter will occur at three to five yard range. That encounter will last three to five seconds and involve three to five rounds being fired.

In most places outside of your home, if you need an RDS to line up a shot, you are likely at a sufficient distance to have a legal duty to flee whatever that incident is.

More importantly, RDS's allow rookies to learn & engrain all sorts of crappy basic mechanics. But that(!) is not the conversation at hand.

I'll never understand putting an RDS on some tiny CCW. It makes that tiny CCW less concealable. It adds a big thing to snag it on if you're needing to draw it in a hurry.

New shooters, learn the basic mechanics of the draw stroke and coming up onto a target. Learn to do that safely and consistently. Practice that using the sights on whatever your choice of CCW is. Do that literally thousands of times. New shooters using RDS's allows people to do an awful lot of things wrong. They allow you to acquire a lot of sloppy, bad shooting habits. Habits that will not serve you well if, and we all hope it never does, that moment comes you need to use that CCW.

If you train with and learn to shoot your CCW using the sights on the gun, you can then do so with an RDS. I'm here to assure you, in most cases, the reverse is not true.

In general, not my findings or experience at all.

I find the red dot to add nothing to printing or less concealability at either 4 o’clock IWB, AIWB, or OWB. The limit to printing is the grip end.

And it can be quicker, or less troublesome, to sight a single dot on a target... at any angle.... than to align two focal points.

Comes down to how you want to train.


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[climber32]

This fellow above makes a good point. You can train to anything. But I tend to agree with not needing/wanting an RDS on a CCW.

[Gun Kraft]

If you train with and learn to shoot your CCW using the sights on the gun, you can then do so with an RDS. I'm here to assure you, in most cases, the reverse is not true.

Hmm. And what training and experience do you have that we are supposed to use to determine you are a credible authority on the subject?

Scott Jedlinski, who can be considered an authority on RDS use, claims the opposite--that learning to aim properly with an RDS will make you better with iron sights. And that most people who have problems finding the dot ("fishing") do so because they have poor technique that iron sights lets them get away with.

My own training and experience (both personal and teaching others how to shoot RDS) agrees with Scott's perspective.

I have an RDS on my CCW because at any distance for an acceptable level of accuracy I am either as fast or faster with the RDS than I am with iron sights. That's measured with a shot timer across multiple sessions. Did I have to train to get there? Of course. Simply bolting a piece of gear on your gun doesn't do squat without training behind it and objective measurements to prove it makes a difference. I've done both. It's not a guarantee everyone who tries an RDS will be better for it, but it can make a difference.