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Trying to find the answer and it's difficult. There are plenty of old (20+years) firearms that are tempting to buy, which none are on the roster. Is the Roster only for NEW firearms only? For example If I were interested in an old Browning(Sig) 220, Not on Roster, So I can't buy it. Wouldn't that take a Large chunk of firearms out of play in Calif, If you can't buy/sell them? I browse Gunbroker and Plenty of Firearms that I would like to purchase, many state they won't sell to calif(as not on roster).
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You can buy them via Private Party transfer, where both buyer and seller are California residents and the both of you meet at the FFL for the transaction. You can buy the handgun if it's a C&R, or Curio and Relic (i.e. that particular gun is over 50 years old). You can buy it it it's a single-action firearm with a barrel over a certain length. Otherwise, you live in California, which means the answer is no, and they hate you!! -
Twenty years is old? Don't tell that to my 1945 Walther P-38. For that matter my Glock 17 gen3 is also about 20 yrs old. But it looks the same as a new G-17, some would say better because Glock changed their nitriding (Tenifer) process along the way.
There's a difference between old vs used. The roster applies for *buying* newly mfg handguns from FFLs. You can sell off-roster stuff all you want. Likewise, if an individual in CA already has an off-roster handgun they are willing to sell, a regular person can buy it.
When you say old handguns aren't on the roster, it's likely because the mfg just doesn't make them anymore, so no reason to continue paying to keep them on the roster. But any existing samples in the state could be sold by individuals.
But yes, it does take a large amount of inventory off the CA market. And that was the point of the roster, so it's working as intended.---------------------
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Go older.
Plenty of old firearms can still get the job done.
None of these guns in my collection is younger than 76 years old.
Both of my Colts are over 100 years old and I shoot them more often than my more recently made guns. Benefit of handguns being 50+ years old is that the roster does not apply. They can be shipped to your FFL and transferred to you like a normal dealer sale.
If you hold a 03FFL (Curio and Relic License) and a COE (Certificate of Eligibility) you can take them home without putting them in jail for 10 days. But you don't need either of those to transfer one. The regular rules (minus the roster) would just apply in that case.
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I have a few guns. My experience is that the vast majority of them have seen very, very low use. Up until a few days ago I hadn't bought a new gun in years. The only reason I picked up the one I did buy (new Glock P80) is because they are so new on the market that there aren't any used ones available.
Besides, in quite a few cases, certain types/models of guns aren't being made anymore so the only way to get one is used.
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If those beautiful old Luger pistols will reliably function with modern updated bullet designs, then they are every bit as effective as anything new on the market. Meaning by that, once the bullet exits the muzzle, the tool that launched it is totally irreverent. The outcome of the bullet impact will make no distinction on what, or by whom sent it there.Comment
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I just picked up a 50 year old revolver......and it is still considered newer. I have very few guns newer than 50 years old.....and they all get worked hard.
the average age of all my guns us around 65 years old.JACComment
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New or used has nothing to do with the roster. When it becomes part of dealer stock, it can only be purchased by someone who is roster exempt. Any gun that is not already exempt from the roster that is shipped to a dealer for a transfer or sale, becomes part of the dealer stock.Comment
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Not quite. The Roster applies to any handgun owned by the FFL whether new or used, unless the handgun is roster-exempt due to C&R status or specific design features.
However some FFL's accept consignment sales which are a type of PPT; the ownership of the handgun remains with the consignor until the time of the sale and therefore are roster-exempt in most cases (some exceptions for certain types of LEO and their handguns obtained after 2017).
Not always true; intrafamilial transfers are shipped to FFL's for transfer and are roster exempt.
California Roster discussions can get very confusing in a hurry; Librarian does a great job explaining the nuances in his stickied posts at the top of the page.Last edited by redcliff; 10-25-2020, 9:16 AM."You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
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As other ops have said, there are was around the roster, but it’s painful and time consuming.?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
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I am older myself Lol and been into old and older firearms for some time now. First of all , if You have a good transfer dealer , You can buy 50 year old + handguns on different auction sites, forums , etc all day long . They are C&R and roster has nothing to do with them. You can buy pre owned off roster handguns from private sellers and store consignments . If You are into older handguns, California is a huge state and there are plenty of older handguns that pop up for sale.Last edited by ap3572001; 10-25-2020, 10:10 AM.Comment
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