Ca ppt

[mex3887]

Trying to sell a on ca roster hk usp I'm in norcal and the buyer is in socal can I ship it to his ffl and how would I take payment from him safely

[SkyHawk]

If it is on roster and still in the original roster config (which means no cerakote, no stippling, no frame or slide mods) then yes it can be shipped. Safe payment is USPS money order, wire transfer or Zelle. Not Paypal, not Venmo, not anything else.

You will have to find out from his FFL how he wants it shipped. Some will only take it if it comes from another FFL. And be sure the receiving FFL reviews photos before shipment and agrees to process it as an on-roster dealer transfer.

[VSA]

If it is on roster and still in the original roster config (which means no cerakote, no stippling, no frame or slide mods) then yes it can be shipped. Safe payment is USPS money order, wire transfer or Zelle. Not Paypal, not Venmo, not anything else.

You will have to find out from his FFL how he wants it shipped. Some will only take it if it comes from another FFL. And be sure the receiving FFL reviews photos before shipment and agrees to process it as an on-roster dealer transfer.

This is entirely dependent on the FFL. Some will deny the transfer out of caution (fear of CADOJ audits), and others won't. Best to contact the FFL.

[mex3887]

Thank you so much!

[Mr. Blue]

If it is on roster and still in the original roster config (which means no cerakote, no stippling, no frame or slide mods) then yes it can be shipped. Safe payment is USPS money order, wire transfer or Zelle. Not Paypal, not Venmo, not anything else.

You will have to find out from his FFL how he wants it shipped. Some will only take it if it comes from another FFL. And be sure the receiving FFL reviews photos before shipment and agrees to process it as an on-roster dealer transfer.

[Quiet]

So whats the deal with not being able to transfer modified pistols? Is this a precaution made in lieu of wary FFL’s? Or is it a PPT via shipped no go? In person, no problem ya?

Modifying/altering it so that it no longer exactly matches the listing makes the handgun an off-Roster handgun.

It needs the OEM parts installed and needs to retain the exact listed factors (markings, caliber, color, barrel length) that is listed on the Roster, to still be considered on-Roster.

A PPT of a handgun exempts the handgun from needing to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.

A PPT is a face-to-face transfer between CA residents that is facilitated by a CA FFL dealer.
^If one the parties involved is a non-resident of CA, then it's not a PPT.
^If the firearm is shipped, then it's not a PPT.

A non-PPT of a handgun needs to have the handgun listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or be exempt from it (LEO sale, C&R, OTP, SAE, SSE2).

[9kracing]

Guns are identified as being on the roster by MPN, not what color they are or sights are on it. Modifying your pistol DOES NOT remove it from the roster.

[SkyHawk]

Guns are identified as being on the roster by MPN, not what color they are or sights are on it. Modifying your pistol DOES NOT remove it from the roster.

If that were the case, we'd all be importing Zev Glocks or bullet proof Wilson Combat 1911s with a bogus MPN sticker on the box

Part numbers are not on the roster. Guns are. And they are tested and evaluated by DOJ prior to roster listing. They do not test or evaluate decals, stickers, or packing slips.

No FFL is going to transfer a gun that is substantially and materially modified from the roster configuration. And yes, the color absolutely matters.

[9kracing]

If that were the case, we'd all be importing Zev Glocks or bullet proof Wilson Combat 1911s with a bogus sticker on the box

Part numbers are not on the roster. Guns are. And they are tested and evaluated by DOJ prior to roster listing. They do not test or evaluate decals, stickers, or packing slips.

No FFL is going to transfer a gun that is substantially and materially modified from the roster configuration. And yes, the color absolutely matters.

There's a reason manufacturers use different part numbers for the same gun, but one with a 10 round magazine. They are not the same gun. And yes, it's all tracked by part number.

Look, either way it doesn't matter what 2 guys on the internet think, ultimately it is up to the receiving FFL. Call whoever you're going to send it to and ask them. Only they can answer your question with any certainty.

[SkyHawk]

There's a reason manufacturers use different part numbers for the same gun, but one with a 10 round magazine. They are not the same gun. And yes, it's all tracked by part number.

Look, either way it doesn't matter what 2 guys on the internet think, ultimately it is up to the receiving FFL. Call whoever you're going to send it to and ask them. Only they can answer your question with any certainty.

Guns don't have part numbers on them though. Guns are sold without boxes all the time. The gun is what matters. Being able to identify the gun and it's configuration before processing it as a roster gun is important if a FFL wants to stay in business. I'd love to have the OD green P01, not gonna happen as a roster transfer though.

You are correct that it is up to the receiving FFL. I have seen many folks sent packing after importing 'roster' guns with trigger jobs and cerakote jobs, but YMMV.

[Mr. Blue]

Modifying/altering it so that it no longer exactly matches the listing makes the handgun an off-Roster handgun.

It needs the OEM parts installed and needs to retain the exact listed factors (markings, caliber, color, barrel length) that is listed on the Roster, to still be considered on-Roster.

A PPT of a handgun exempts the handgun from needing to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.

A PPT is a face-to-face transfer between CA residents that is facilitated by a CA FFL dealer.
^If one the parties involved is a non-resident of CA, then it's not a PPT.
^If the firearm is shipped, then it's not a PPT.

A non-PPT of a handgun needs to have the handgun listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale or be exempt from it (LEO sale, C&R, OTP, SAE, SSE2).

Thank you, explained perfectly.

[Mr. Blue]

If that were the case, we'd all be importing Zev Glocks or bullet proof Wilson Combat 1911s with a bogus MPN sticker on the box

Part numbers are not on the roster. Guns are. And they are tested and evaluated by DOJ prior to roster listing. They do not test or evaluate decals, stickers, or packing slips.

No FFL is going to transfer a gun that is substantially and materially modified from the roster configuration. And yes, the color absolutely matters.

Exactly, I looked into this a few months back....

[saudadeii]

I thought sights, finish and grips made no difference.

32030. (a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements of subdivision (a) of Section 32015 if another firearm made by the same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following features:

(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating, oiling, or engraving.

(2) The material from which the grips are made.

(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

[SkyHawk]

I thought sights, finish and grips made no difference.

32030. (a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements of subdivision (a) of Section 32015 if another firearm made by the same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following features:

(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating, oiling, or engraving.

(2) The material from which the grips are made.

(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

That allows THE ORIGINAL MANUFACTURERS to make color or other minor changes and add the variants to the roster. But the color change, sight change must still be added to the roster. That is why color changes have their own roster listing, and same goes for sight changes.

It does not allow random people to dye, spray, stipple etc guns and keep their roster status as if it were still the original gun.

Now many FFLs will process roster guns with different sights or grips even if those changes were done by someone other than the factory. But most I know will draw the line there.

[mex3887]

So for the payment I know the buyer and seller are both at risk how are each protected obviously I should wait till funds check out but how is he protect he is asking