AR Pistol Folding Stock Question...

[turbolxstang]

Currently building two AR Pistols with 7.5” and 10.5” barrels, lowers are DROS’d as semiauto handguns, can I put folding braces on these? I am building these compliant with mag locks and pistol braces.

[ARDude]

Any kind of stock on a pistol would make it a SBR.

[Jedediah Munroe]

You can put folding pistol braces on pistols. But be aware the folder will add length to the lop. ATF has apparently said lop in pistol brace >13.5 inches is a no go

[turbolxstang]

Folding brace legal on AR Pistol?

[turbolxstang]

Yes you can put folders on there. But be aware the folder will add length to the lop. ATF has apparently said lop in pistol brace >13.5 inches is a no go

What is LOP, how is it measured?

[SAlNlDllvllAlNl]

Things like a law tactical folder along with your pistol brace is good to go. Things to note are like others have said length of pull (lop) needs to be 13.5 inces or less and no vfg. Obviously all the other rules apply, mag locked, no more than 10rd mags, blah blah blah...

It is measured from the trigger face to the end of the receiver tube. If measuring with a pistol brace on it has to be fully extended and not folded. Typically, you will have to permanently fill in the hole in the buffer tube so the brace doesn't fully extend to have under a 13.5 lop.

[turbolxstang]

Guess a flat trigger might be a bad idea in this case 🤔

Things like a law tactical folder along with your pistol brace is good to go. Things to note are like others have said length of pull (lop) needs to be 13.5 inces or less and no vfg. Obviously all the other rules apply, mag locked, no more than 10rd mags, blah blah blah...

It is measured from the trigger face to the end of the receiver tube. If measuring with a pistol brace on it has to be fully extended and not folded. Typically, you will have to permanently fill in the hole in the buffer tube so the brace doesn't fully extend to have under a 13.5 lop.

[flavor]

Also if the folding brace is extended and the OAL is over 26 inches, you can have a VFG. But if you fold the brace and the OAL becomes less than 26 inches, the VFG has to come off first.

[BigPimping]

Why don't you try this out and let us know what happens. If you need a GoFundMe page for your bail let us know.

[Quiet]

AR Pistol Folding Stock Question...

Any kind of stock on a pistol would make it a SBR.

In addition, per BATFE, modifying an arm stablizing brace to make it easier or more comfortable to shoulder makes it a shoulder stock and installing an arm stablizing brace with the intent to use it as a shoulder stock, makes it a shoulder stock.

Per CA laws, modifying a firearm with a rifled barrel to fire from the shoulder makes it a "rifle".
If that "rifle" has a less than 16" barrel length or less than 26" overall length, then it is a SBR.

Also if the folding brace is extended and the OAL is over 26 inches, you can have a VFG. But if you fold the brace and the OAL becomes less than 26 inches, the VFG has to come off first.

In 02-2018, BATFE determined the method to measuring overall length to determine if a firearm is a Title 1 Handgun, Title 1 Other, or Title 2 AOW as the following:
Firearm is measured in the shortest possible firing configuration (arm stablizing brace is removed or folded/collapsed, if it permanently attached).

Since the firearm is not intended to be fired from the shoulder, the arm stablizing brace can not be included in measuring overall length to determine what type of non-rifle/shotgun firearm it is.

This all stems from a FFL being busted by the BATFE for making & transferring illegal Title 2 AOW.
The FFL was making & selling the firearms as Title 1 Other (less than 16" barrel length, vertical forward grip, arm stablizing brace) because with the arm stablizing brace extended the firearms had an overall length that was greater than 26".
However, with the arm stablizing brace removed or collapsed/folded (for those that were permanently attached), the firearms overall length was less than 26". This caused the BATFE to consider the firearms to be Title 2 AOW, not Title 1 Other.
The FFL made a deal in lieu of criminal charges and they lost their FFL and paid out an undisclosed amount in Court fees.
People who acquired those firearms were given the option to submit a Form 1 to make them into Title 2 AOW or to surrendered them for destruction.

[turbolxstang]

[Quiet]

... was just curious if you can INSTALL A FOLDING BRACE, on an AR Pistol, guess there is no such thing a simple question in California regarding gun laws.

Is there a simpler way to ask the question?

Short version:
Are you installing it with the intent to fire the pistol from the shoulder?
~If yes, then it would be considered an illegal SBR.
~If no, then it would not be considered an SBR.


Long version:
Per BATFE...
1. Installing an arm stablizing brace and using it as intended (braced on/along the forearm) or using it in a non-intended manner that causes occasional or incidental contact with the shoulder does not make the firearm a SBR/SBS.
2. Installing an arm stablizing brace with the intent to use it as a stock or modifying an arm stablizing brace to make it easier or more comfortable to shoulder, makes the firearm a SBR/SBS.

Per CA DOJ BOF...
It's up to any of the 58 DA's Office to decide if they want to prosecute a firearm with an arm stablizing brace as a SBR/SBS or not.

[turbolxstang]

[Quiet]

The intent of building the pistol or the intent of adding the folding brace?

The intent of adding an arm stablizing brace.
^It folding or collapsing makes no difference to this.

[turbolxstang]